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Episode: “Turn-Speak” with Joan Peters, Part 1

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  • 00:09 BRETHREN, MY HEART'S DESIRE AND PRAYER TO GOD FOR ISRAEL IS THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED.
  • 00:15 THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JEW AND THE GENTILE,
  • 00:19 FOR THE SAME LORD OVERALL IS RICH UNTO ALL THAT CALL UPON HIM.
  • 00:35 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
  • 00:37 I HAVE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO INTRODUCE OUR GUEST TONIGHT
  • 00:40 BECAUSE SHE'S REALLY VERY SPECIAL.
  • 00:42 WE'VE HAD HER BEFORE.
  • 00:44 IT'S JOAN PETERS, HISTORIAN, JOURNALIST, AND IF YOU WILL FORGIVE ME,
  • 00:47 THE BIOGRAPHY IS SO LONG AND COMPLEX, I NEED TO ACTUALLY READ FROM IT.
  • 01:00 THIS IS THE BOOK THAT'S IN MOST OF THE BOOK STORES
  • 01:03 OR THEY CAN ORDER IT, BUT IT'S A WONDERFUL BOOK.
  • 01:06 DON'T START READING THIS WHEN YOU GO TO BED. IT'S A PAGE-TURNER.
  • 01:10 IT'S IN CURRENT DEMAND, USED AS A TEXTBOOK IN THE UNITED STATES AND ISRAEL.
  • 02:00 JOAN PETERS. THANK YOU FOR STOPPING BY.
  • 02:03 IT'S MY PLEASURE, ALWAYS.
  • 02:05 LOOK, SINCE YOUR BOOK CAME OUT, YOU'RE THE MIDDLE OF A LOT OF CONFLICT AND ARGUMENT, DEBATE--
  • 02:12 THE FIRST SUBJECT, WE WERE TALKING BEFORE THE PROGRAM ABOUT GEORGE ORWELL
  • 02:18 AND HIS, WAY BACK IN 1948, HIS BOOK WHERE HE INTRODUCED THE NEW TERM, "NEW-SPEAK".
  • 02:26 YOU'VE TAKEN THAT TERM AND USING IT ON THE SPIN WE'RE GETTING TODAY
  • 02:33 WITH THE SITUATION IN ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS, AND YOU CALL IT "TURN-SPEAK".
  • 02:38 YES, BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT THAN "NEW-SPEAK".
  • 02:41 "TURN-SPEAK" IS WHAT HAS DEVELOPED IN THE WORLD AS AN EXCUSE FOR AN ARAB CASE
  • 02:47 BECAUSE THERE IS NO ARAB CASE FOR ISRAEL.
  • 02:50 AND THE ARABS HAVE LITERALLY STOLEN THE IDENTITY OF THE JEWS
  • 02:55 TO CREATE A CASE FOR THEMSELVES AND IN SO DOING, THE HAVE CREATED A "TURN-SPEAK".
  • 02:59 THEY'VE TURNED EVERYTHING ON IT'S HEAD AND MY TERM CAME FROM, "TURN-SPEAK".
  • 03:05 LET ME REITERATE THIS PART OF YOUR HISTORY, I REMEMBER FROM WHEN YOU WERE WITH US BEFORE.
  • 03:12 YOU WENT OVER THERE ORIGINALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE QUESTION.
  • 03:17 YOU WENT TO DEFEND THE ARAB POSITION, TO WRITE SOMETHING, YOU'RE A HISTORIAN.
  • 03:22 YOU'RE A PROFESSIONAL AT DIGGING OUT THE REAL FACTS AND WHEN YOU GOT THERE YOU CHANGED SIDES
  • 03:27 BECAUSE YOU FOUND A LOT OF "TURN-SPEAK".
  • 03:31 YES, IT ISN'T SO MUCH THAT I CHANGED SIDES,
  • 03:34 I WAS AN OLD CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST AND I HAD THOUGHT THAT THE ARAB REFUGEES
  • 03:39 WERE IN THE SAME KIND OF PLIGHT THAT THE AFRICAN AMERICANS HAD BEEN AS SLAVES IN THE SOUTH.
  • 03:46 IT LOOKS LIKE A SIMILAR PACKAGING.
  • 03:51 AND I WENT TO THE CAMPS IN LEBANON AND I SAW THE DIFFERENCES FROM WHAT I THOUGHT
  • 03:57 AND I REALIZED THAT THE ARAB, WELL, THERE IS SO MANY LAYERS UPON LAYERS
  • 04:02 THAT IT'S QUITE SCARY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE'VE GOTTEN THIS EQUAL, WHAT DO WE CALL IT,
  • 04:11 DOCTRINE OF EQUIVALENCY.
  • 04:14 MORAL EQUIVALENCY.
  • 04:15 IT'S LIKE SAYING THAT HITLER WAS AS EQUALLY GUILTY AS THE JEWS
  • 04:21 WHOM HE HAD BURNED TO DEATH, OR HE DID WHATEVER HE DID TO.
  • 04:24 FOR SOME REASON THERE HAS BEEN A BLIND SPOT IN THE WORLD SINCE 1948.
  • 04:31 WELL, IT'S NOT SOME REASON, IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A HUGE AMOUNT VERY ACTIVE BLINDING.
  • 04:40 YOU WERE GOING TO READ A PASSAGE FROM "TURN-SPEAK".
  • 04:43 I WOULD LOVE TO. >>THIS IS FASCINATING--
  • 04:45 IT'S FROM MY BOOK AND IT'S IN THE CONCLUSION
  • 04:51 AND IT'S AFTER I'VE DONE A LOT, 10 YEARS OF RESEARCH AND PUTTING TOGETHER.
  • 04:57 I'LL JUST READ THIS ONE BRIEF BIT TO YOU AND THEN I WILL TAKE IT APART.
  • 05:11 WELL LET'S STOP RIGHT THERE. FIRST OF ALL, THE USE OF THE TERM, PALESTINIAN PEOPLE,
  • 05:16 AS BEING ARABS IS AN IMMEDIATE PUBLIC RELATIONS COUP.
  • 05:21 BECAUSE BY CALLING THEM PALESTINIANS,
  • 05:23 THEY ARE IMMEDIATELY IDENTIFIED WITH PALESTINE
  • 05:27 AND IF THEY ARE IDENTIFIED WITH PALESTINE, THEN ISRAEL IS NOT.
  • 05:32 IF YOU SAY IN 1948, PALESTINE BECAME ISRAEL,
  • 05:35 IT APPEARS THAT THE JEWS TOOK OVER PALESTINE FROM THE ARABS.
  • 05:39 BUT THERE WERE NO ARAB PALESTINIANS, THERE NEVER WAS AND ARAB PALESTINE.
  • 05:43 THE ONLY ARAB PALESTINE THAT EXISTED AND EXISTS, IS JORDAN.
  • 05:48 THE KINGDOM OF JORDAN BECAME PALESTINE, BUT THE KING OF JORDAN, KING ABDULLAH,
  • 05:54 WAS ASSASSINATED FOR SAYING THAT JORDAN WAS PALESTINE.
  • 05:58 EVEN THOUGH IT IS 75% OF THE ENTIRE PALESTINIAN MANDATE.
  • 06:05 THAT'S THE VERY FIRST PART OF THIS VERY SHORT PARAGRAPH.
  • 06:22 IT HAS NEVER BEEN PRESENT. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A PALESTINIAN IDENTITY.
  • 06:26 IN FACT, THE ARAB WOULD NOT BE CALLED PALESTINIANS.
  • 06:30 NO, THEY DID NOT WANT THAT TERM BACK WHEN IT WAS, 1948.
  • 06:34 THEY SAID YOU'RE PALESTINIAN, THEY SAID NO, NO, THE JEWS ARE PALESTINIAN.
  • 06:37 YES, THEY SAID WE ARE SYRIANS, WE ARE SOUTHERN SYRIANS, WE ARE ANYTHING BUT PALESTINIANS.
  • 06:43 WE WILL CALL OURSELVES OTTOMANS, TURKS, BUT DON'T CALL US PALESTINIAN.
  • 06:48 THE PALESTINIAN BRIGADE THAT THE BRITISH WAS ABLE TO MUSTER IN THE MANDATORY PERIOD
  • 06:53 AND IN THE WAR, WAS THE JEWISH BRIGADE.
  • 06:56 THEY WERE JEWISH SOLDIERS.
  • 06:58 SO MUCH FOR THE SECOND ONE.
  • 07:13 OK, THAT'S A LOT.
  • 07:15 THE ALIEN JEWS, FIRST OF ALL, THE JEWS WERE NOT ALIEN,
  • 07:18 EVEN THE MOST HOSTILE BRITISH REPORTS THAT WERE AVAILABLE,
  • 07:22 LIKE THE PEALE COMMISSION REPORT WHICH DID ACTUALLY TRACE JEWISH HISTORY BACK IN THE HOLY LAND,
  • 07:29 ALL OF THEM SAID THAT THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A JEWISH PRESENCE IN THE HOLY LAND.
  • 07:34 AND THE JEWISH NEVER LEFT.
  • 07:37 HOW CAN THE JEWS BE ALIEN TO ISRAEL?
  • 07:39 THIS IS THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT REALLY IS IDENTIFIED WITH A PEOPLE,
  • 07:43 ISRAEL AND THE JEWS. >>EXACTLY.
  • 07:45 MORE SO THAN WE WHITE EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS ARE WITH NORTH AMERICA, SAY.
  • 07:49 WELL, IT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE CALLED NOW.
  • 07:53 YOU'VE SEEN THE PUBLICITY AS MUCH AS I HAVE.
  • 07:56 YOU'VE SEEN THE KIND OF HANDOUTS WE GET WHEN WE GO TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT.
  • 08:00 YOU'VE SEEN HOW THEY CALL THEM ALIEN AND THE ARABS ARE THE NATIVES.
  • 08:05 WE'LL GO ON WITH THAT ONE.
  • 08:08 IT'S THE ALIEN JEWS RETURNED AFTER 2000 YEARS IN 1948 TO DISPLACE THE PALESTINIAN ARABS.
  • 08:16 WE'LL STOP THERE.
  • 08:17 TO DISPLACE THE PALESTINIAN ARABS, OKAY,
  • 08:20 DISPLACED PERSONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST WERE NOT THE ARABS, THEY WERE THE JEWS.
  • 08:28 THERE WERE 900,000 OR SO WHO WERE FORCED TO LEAVE,
  • 08:33 TO FLEE WITHOUT THEIR PROPERTY FROM ARAB COUNTRIES IN 1948.
  • 08:38 NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT THE JEWISH REFUGEES.
  • 08:40 THEY ARE DISPLACED.
  • 08:42 THEY WERE CHASED OUT OF ARAB COUNTRIES.
  • 08:44 THEY WERE FOR FEAR OF THEIR LIVES.
  • 08:47 BUT THE ARABS WHO ARE CALLED REFUGEES, AND THIS STARTED MY,
  • 08:51 CAN I DO A LITTLE BIT OF DEVIATING FROM THIS--
  • 08:56 JOAN, YOU ARE FREE TO SAY WHAT YOU LIKE ON THIS PROGRAM.
  • 08:59 THE IDEA OF DISPLACEMENT OF ARABS WAS ONE OF THE DRIVING FORCES
  • 09:06 THAT STARTED ME ON THIS BOOK BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY HAD BEEN.
  • 09:09 AND A NUMBER OF THINGS HAVE SUDDENLY BECOME VERY CLEAR IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING THIS BOOK
  • 09:17 WASN'T SO SUDDEN, IT WAS 10 YEARS.
  • 09:19 BUT WHAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED, DO YOU THINK,
  • 09:23 IT WAS A SLIGHT DEFINITION CHANGE IN THE UNITED NATIONS ARCHIVES.
  • 09:29 THE DEFINITION CHANGE WAS SO OVERWHELMING
  • 09:33 THAT IS DIDN'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO IT THE FIRST TIME.
  • 09:36 THE DEFINITION OF A REFUGEE, IN THE WORLD,
  • 09:40 IS THAT ANY PERSON WHO HAS BEEN FORCED TO FLEE FROM THEIR LIVELIHOOD
  • 09:47 AND THEIR FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL, WHO HAS LIVED THEIR A LONG TIME,
  • 09:51 WILL IN FACT, BE QUALIFYING AS A REFUGEE.
  • 09:55 THEY HAVE LONG-LIVED STATUS IN THE COUNTRY THEY LEFT.
  • 09:58 IN THE CASE OF 1948, THE ARABS ACTUALLY HAD A SEPARATE ARAB REFUGEE AGENCY CALLED "UNRWA",
  • 10:09 JUST FOR ARAB REFUGEES FROM ISRAEL, NOT FROM ANYWHERE ELSE.
  • 10:13 THE REST OF THE WORLD, AND THERE WERE 50 MILLION REFUGEES WHO WERE CREATED,
  • 10:18 THE NEED WAS INCREDIBLE AFTER WWII SO THAT THERE WERE ENORMOUS NUMBERS OF REFUGEES.
  • 10:26 THEY WERE ALL UNDER THE RUBRIC OF A WORLD REFUGEE ORGANIZATION
  • 10:30 EXCEPT FOR THE ARAB REFUGEES FROM ISRAEL.
  • 10:33 THEY CREATED A SPECIAL AGENCY AND IN THAT AGENCY AND IN THAT DEFINITION,
  • 10:39 THEY CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF REFUGEE FOR ARAB REFUGEES FROM ISRAEL
  • 10:45 TO ANY PERSON WHO HAD BEEN IN ISRAEL 2 YEARS BEFORE 1948.
  • 10:54 NOW IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT SUDDENLY CAME TO ME,
  • 10:57 AND I WENT BACK TO THIS DEFINITION CHANGE
  • 11:00 AND I THOUGHT HOW COULD THEY DO A DEFINITION CHANGE THAT WAS SO UNITED NATIONS ORIENTED
  • 11:07 AND HAD TO BE INCLUSIVE OF SO MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FOR IT TO HAPPEN,
  • 11:12 WHEN IN FACT, THESE PEOPLE ARE LONG-LIVED NATIVES FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL
  • 11:18 AND IT TURNED OUT, GOING INTO THE U.N. ARCHIVES,
  • 11:22 THAT THESE ARAB REFUGEES WHO WERE NOT CALLED PALESTINIANS AT THAT TIME,
  • 11:27 THE ARAB REFUGEES HAD INDEED FLED FROM OTHER ARAB COUNTRIES
  • 11:32 TO FOLLOW ON THE JEWS TAIL TO GET THE BENEFITS,
  • 11:35 TO GET ALL THE VARYING QUALITIES THAT WERE IN THE JEWISH SETTLEMENTS
  • 11:41 THAT WERE NOT IN THE ARAB COUNTRIES.
  • 11:43 SO, TO WRAP IT UP, THE ARABS WERE NOT LONG-LIVED IN ISRAEL,
  • 11:48 AND THEY WEREN'T DISPLACED, >>AND THEY WEREN'T DISPLACED.
  • 11:50 THE UNITED NATIONS ACCOMMODATED THEM BY SAYING,
  • 11:52 "IF YOU JUST HAD 2 YEARS IN THE LAND, THEN YOU'RE A REFUGEE FROM IT"
  • 11:56 AND ACCOMMODATED ARABS THAT HAD ALMOST JUST ARRIVED WITH THE JEWS.
  • 12:00 THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, YOU KNOW.
  • 12:04 THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH AN ARAB WANTING TO BETTER HIMSELF.
  • 12:06 NOT AT ALL,
  • 12:07 AND A NOMADIC TRIBE, WE STUDIED ABOUT NOMADS IN HIGH SCHOOL,
  • 12:12 WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE WANDERING PEOPLES IN THE DESERT.
  • 12:16 IT'S A VERY NOBLE PROFESSION TO WANDER AND FIND YOU LAND WHERE YOU CAN AND MOVE ON,
  • 12:20 BUT NOT WHEN IT'S AT THE EXPENSE OF A WHOLE PEOPLE.
  • 12:24 NOT WHEN THEY ARE ABOUT TO STEAL THE ENTIRE PERSONA OF THE ONE JEWISH COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
  • 12:30 SHE'S JOAN PETERS SHE HAS SO MUCH TO SAY.
  • 12:33 I HOPE WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET IT SAID, BUT SHE'S THE AUTHOR OF "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL".
  • 12:40 YOU REALLY NEED TO READ THE ORIGINAL
  • 12:42 AND SHE'S WHAT IS CALLED IN THE BUSINESS, "SOURCE MATERIAL".
  • 12:46 IN OUR NEWSLETTER, WE QUOTE DIFFERENT-- CAL THOMAS, JOSEPH FARAH, DIFFERENT AUTHORS,
  • 12:54 DANIEL PIPES AND SO ON, WHO WE RELY ON AND TRUST
  • 12:57 AND THEY SAY THINGS IN EDITORIALS AND WE REPEAT THEM AND WE QUOTE THEM.
  • 13:02 BUT THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY "SOURCE MATERIAL".
  • 13:05 THEY IN TURN, LOOK AT JOAN PETERS AND PEOPLE LIKE HER,
  • 13:09 HER BOOK, HER RESEARCH, HER LIFE'S WORK TO GET THEIR IDEAS.
  • 13:12 SHE IS "SOURCE MATERIAL" AND I AM GLAD WE CAN BRING HER TO YOU TODAY.
  • 13:15 BACK WITH HER AFTER THIS.
  • 13:49 THAT'S THE WAY WE SEE ISRAEL ON OUR PROGRAMS.
  • 13:53 WHEN YOU TOUR IT AND GO TO BIBLICAL SITES, YOU DON'T RUN INTO ALL THIS POLITICS.
  • 13:58 IT IS CERTAINLY AN EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE.
  • 14:01 ISRAEL IS USUALLY AHEAD OF THINGS
  • 14:04 AND ISAIAH SPOKE ABOUT TURN-SPEAK, JOAN, 3000 YEARS AGO ALMOST.
  • 14:17 THAT'S TURN-SPEAK.
  • 14:19 THESE PEACE PLANS THAT WE'RE SEEING, PEOPLE ARE PERSUADED BY THE ROADMAP, EVIDENTLY,
  • 14:24 OUR TOURS ARE GETTING LARGER, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THESE ONCOMING PEACE PLANS?
  • 14:29 THEY ARE FINE, EXCEPT THAT THERES ONLY ONE PARTY TO THEM.
  • 14:32 YOU CAN'T HAVE A PEACE PLAN FOR ONE PARTY.
  • 14:34 THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 14:36 THE ISRAELIS HAVE DONE WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO ON THE ROADMAP AS FAR AS I CAN SEE.
  • 14:42 THE ROAD MAP IS ABSOLUTELY DEAD.
  • 14:44 IT WAS DEAD BEFORE IT STARTED BECAUSE THE FALLACIOUS PREMISE
  • 14:49 OF ALL THE PEACE PLANS THAT HAVE PROPOSED IS THAT THE ARABS ARE READY TO MAKE PEACE OF SOME SORT
  • 14:54 WITH ISRAEL OR EXCEPT IT IN SOME FUTURE DATE.
  • 14:57 AND UP UNTIL THE PRESENT, AND I BELIEVE INTO QUITE A LONG TIME IN THE FUTURE,
  • 15:02 UNTIL THERE IS SOME REFORM OF ISLAM,
  • 15:05 THERE WILL NOT BE A POSSIBILITY OF A PEACE PLAN
  • 15:07 BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE 2 PARTIES WHO IN SOME WAY AGREE TO AGREE.
  • 15:13 AND IT SEEMS LIKE ALMOST PROPAGANDA TO SAY
  • 15:17 THERE NEEDS TO BE A PALESTINIAN STATE IN THE MIDDLE OF ISRAEL.
  • 15:22 THIS WILL CAUSE PEACE. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONFIDENCE IN IT?
  • 15:26 OF COURSE NOT. THEY DON'T WANT A PALESTINIAN STATE IN ISRAEL.
  • 15:31 THEY WANT ISRAEL.
  • 15:33 THEY WANT A PALESTINIAN STATE WHEREVER THERE IS A JEWISH LAND AND IF IT WASN'T THERE,
  • 15:39 IT WOULD BE WHEREVER IT WAS THE ARABS WOULD WANT IT.
  • 15:42 PALESTINIANS ARE AN INVENTION OF THE ARAB LEAGUE. THE PALESTINIANS DID NOT EXIST.
  • 15:49 THEY ARE A WONDERFUL GROUP OF HUMAN BEINGS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER GROUP
  • 15:53 BEFORE THEY GOT INDOCTRINATED BY THEIR SCHOOLS INTO HATING AND KILLING JEWS.
  • 15:58 THAT WAS FINE, BUT TODAY THE PALESTINIANS DO HAVE A LAND
  • 16:04 EVEN IF THEY DON'T DESERVE IT, THEY HAVE ONE.
  • 16:06 THEY HAVE 3/4 OF PALESTINE CALLED JORDAN.
  • 16:09 PEOPLE HAVE SAID, OH, JORDAN WILL NEVER ACCEPT THIS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT,
  • 16:15 THEY AREN'T GOING TO HAVE A CHOICE BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE IS BEING RULED OUT.
  • 16:20 THERE IS GOING TO COME A TIME WHEN IF NOT MORE
  • 16:24 THERE WILL AT LEAST BE A FEDERATED STATE OF PALESTINIANS
  • 16:30 WHICH WILL BE INCLUSIVE OF THE EAST BANK AND ALL OF JORDAN
  • 16:34 AND ISRAEL WILL BE ABLE TO RETAIN THE TINY PIECE OF LAND IN THE WORLD IT HAS.
  • 16:41 THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION.
  • 16:43 MAYBE WHEN THERE IS A REFORM OF ISLAM IN A COUPLE HUNDRED YEARS
  • 16:47 AND THEY SEPARATE THE JIHAD OR HATE FROM THE RELIGION AND FROM THE POLITICS OF THEIR PEOPLE,
  • 16:54 MAYBE THEN THERE CAN BE TALK ABOUT HAVING ANOTHER STATE BUT AT THAT TIME,
  • 16:59 I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE NECESSARY BECAUSE THEY WILL NO LONGER,
  • 17:03 ALLAH WILLING, THEY WILL NO LONGER HATE NON-ISLAMISTS.
  • 17:09 THE INDOCTRINATION IS ON THE LEVEL OF CHILDREN IN SCHOOL BOOKS AND SO ON,
  • 17:16 IT'S GETTING WORSE AS WE GO BECAUSE THESE CHILDREN GROW UP
  • 17:19 AND BECOME TEENAGERS AND SUICIDE BOMBERS AND ZEALOTS OF ALL SORTS BECAUSE OF THEIR EARLY TRAINING.
  • 17:25 CAN SOMETHING BE DONE?
  • 17:27 THERE ARE MANY STUDIES BEING DONE NOW.
  • 17:31 VERY EXPERT STUDIES THAT ARE TAKING THE SCHOOL BOOKS, THEY ARE TAKING THE INFANT,
  • 17:36 LITERALLY, INFANT INDOCTRINATION, THEY'RE TAKING THE CAMPS,
  • 17:41 THE CHILDREN'S DAY CAMPS OF THE PALESTINIAN ARABS IN THE WEST BANK,
  • 17:47 NEVER MIND SYRIA OR EGYPT OR LEBANON OR ANY OF THE ARAB COUNTRIES
  • 17:52 BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME TRAINING.
  • 17:55 CERTAINLY SAUDI ARABIA. SAUDI ARABIA IS THE INITIATOR.
  • 17:58 THE TINY CHILDREN ARE BEING TAUGHT TO HATE,
  • 18:04 NOT JUST ON AN EMOTIONAL LEVEL, THEY'RE TAUGHT TO KILL
  • 18:08 AND THIS IS THREATENING THE ENTIRE SOCIETY WE LIVE IN.
  • 18:14 IT'S NOT JUST THE JEWS. IT'S AMERICANS, IT'S THE WEST, IT'S THE FREE WORLD.
  • 18:18 THE SAUDIS ARE THE GREATEST PERPETRATORS OF THIS.
  • 18:21 THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING THE PALESTINIANS TO KILL.
  • 18:24 THEY HAVE BEEN GIVING, NOW I THINK IT'S $50,000.
  • 18:28 I KNOW IRAQ GAVE MONEY. SAUDI ARABIA HAS ALWAYS GIVEN MONEY.
  • 18:32 THE SAUDI ARABIANS, WHO ARE THE MOST GUILTY OF SPREADING HATE AGAINST AMERICANS AND JEWS
  • 18:39 ARE SUPPOSED BEST FRIENDS IN THE ARAB WORLD OF US.
  • 18:44 WHY DO THEY GET A FREE PASS?
  • 18:45 WHY DO THEY VISIT THE PRESIDENT'S RANCH AND WHITE HOUSE?
  • 18:49 WHY IS IT IN ISRAEL THE TERRORISTS IN CALLED MILITANTS,
  • 18:55 WHY ARE THEY NEVER CALLED TERRORISTS?
  • 18:58 WHY ARE THEY TERRORISTS EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD WHERE THEY KILL,
  • 19:02 EVERYWHERE, MALAYSIA, INDONESIA, SYRIA, EGYPT, THE UNITED STATES, THEY'RE TERRORISTS,
  • 19:08 AND YET THE PALESTINIAN WHO ARE THE TERRORISTS IN ISRAEL,
  • 19:14 WHO HAVE BEEN KILLING THE SAME WAY THEY'RE KILLING HERE, ARE CALLED MILITANTS.
  • 19:19 THEY'RE GIVEN GREAT STATUS. THEY'RE GIVEN RESPECT.
  • 19:23 WHY ARE THESE MURDERERS GIVEN RESPECT IN ISRAEL AND NOWHERE ELSE?
  • 19:27 DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE IS A SPECIAL LAW FOR JEWISH VICTIMS OF TERRORISM?
  • 19:32 CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE IT, DOESN'T IT.
  • 19:35 YES IT DOES.
  • 19:37 AND IT ALSO GIVES ONE PAUSE WHEN ONE REALIZES IN THE IRAQ WAR,
  • 19:42 EARLY ON AFTER WE STOPPED THE OFFICIAL FIGHTING EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A BIGGER WAR GOING ON NOW,
  • 19:49 THE IRAQ WAR BROUGHT MANY, WHAT THEY CALL, FOREIGNERS.
  • 19:54 IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS FEDAYEEN WAR AGAINST AMERICANS, ABOUT 2 MONTHS AGO, IT STOPPED.
  • 20:02 THEY WERE CALLING THEM PALESTINIAN INVADERS.
  • 20:04 THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT STOPPED, TOTALLY.
  • 20:08 THEY NEVER REFERRED TO THEM BY ANY NAME OTHER THAN FOREIGNERS OR INVADERS.
  • 20:13 WHY IS THAT?
  • 20:15 WE'RE PROTECTING THE PALESTINIANS AGAIN.
  • 20:19 WHY? TELL ME.
  • 20:21 THAT'S WHAT I DON'T KNOW.
  • 20:23 IT'S ALMOST A SPIRITUAL PROBLEM, IF YOU WANT AN ANSWER, I CAN TELL YOU.
  • 20:27 IT SEEMS THAT THE MORE DISTANT PEOPLE ARE FROM GOD,
  • 20:30 THE MORE THEY HATE ISRAEL AND THE JEWS AND ALL THE EVIDENCE OF GOD AT WORK IN THE WORLD.
  • 20:34 ISLAMISTS ARE PRETTY FAR FROM THE REAL GOD AS FAR AS I CAN SEE IT.
  • 20:39 THAT'S A CHRISTIAN VIEW,
  • 20:40 BUT THE PALESTINIANS ARE NOT REALLY ISLAMISTS, THEY'RE HATERS,
  • 20:44 BUT THEY'RE TERRORISTS ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL.
  • 20:47 THAT'S TRUE.
  • 20:48 I DON'T FIND THEM VERY RELIGIOUS WHEN I TRAVEL IN ISRAEL.
  • 20:51 THERE ARE MOSQUES IN THE VILLAGES, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE VERY WELL ATTENDED.
  • 20:54 TYPICALLY THERE'S A VILLAGE OF 10,000 PEOPLE AND THERE'S ONE MINARET, SMALL BUILDING.
  • 21:01 IT WON'T HOLD THE TOWN. IT WON'T HOLD ONE HUNDREDTH OF THE TOWN.
  • 21:06 THEY'RE NOT VERY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE AS MUCH AS WE HEAR FROM THEM ABOUT RELIGION.
  • 21:11 NO, THEY'VE BEEN BRED TO HATE, ZOLA.
  • 21:13 THEY'VE BEEN BRED TO HATE AND IT'S VERY SAD BECAUSE THEY STARTED OUT, YOU KNOW,
  • 21:17 THE 12 YEAR OLD PALESTINIAN DOESN'T KNOW THAT HIS FAMILY CAME FROM SUDAN OR FROM EGYPT
  • 21:22 OR FROM LEBANON OR THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO THIS COUNTRY,
  • 21:27 THAT THEY ARE STEALING THE RIGHT FROM A PEOPLE
  • 21:29 WHO HAS BEEN SHUNTED AROUND FROM "TIME IMMEMORIAL".
  • 21:33 THEY DON'T KNOW THAT.
  • 21:34 THEY ARE TAUGHT THAT THEIR LAND IS WHERE THE JEWS ARE
  • 21:38 AND THEY WANT TO KILL THE JEWS AND THIS WHAT THEY ARE TAUGHT.
  • 21:42 THIS RIGHT OF RETURN, THEY'RE NOT ONLY TAUGHT THAT,
  • 21:47 BUT THEY ARE TAUGHT THAT THEIR FAMILIES WERE CHASED OUT OF ISRAEL BY THE JEWS
  • 21:51 AND NOW ARE MILLIONS OF THEM IN THE NEXT GENERATION AND THE NEXT GENERATION,
  • 21:55 THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO RETURN TO ISRAEL.
  • 21:58 WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT?
  • 22:01 THAT'S GOT A LOT OF-- HERE'S SOME BACKGROUND.
  • 22:03 THAT HAS TO DO WITH GETTING BACK TO THE MYTHS AND THIS ONE BASIC PARAGRAPH
  • 22:10 BECAUSE THE RIGHT OF RETURN, BASICALLY,
  • 22:14 IS THE TERMINOLOGY OF THE JEWS FOR THEIR LAND AFTER THE HOLOCAUST
  • 22:19 AND AFTER HAVING BEEN IN THE POGROMS
  • 22:21 AND HAVING LOST THE JEWISH STATE WHEN THE ROMANS DESTROYED IT.
  • 22:27 THAT HAS THE -RIGHT TO RETURN- IN CONTEXT.
  • 22:32 THE -RIGHT TO RETURN- AS THE ARABS ARE USING IT NOW
  • 22:34 IS A COMPLETE ROBBERY OF THE LANGUAGE AND THE IDEAS OF THE JEWS.
  • 22:41 THE -RIGHT TO RETURN- DOES NOT APPLY TO ARABS
  • 22:44 BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO THE LAND THE JEWS ARE IN, THEY NEVER DID OWN THE LAND.
  • 22:50 THEY NEVER DID HAVE A TRADITION ON THE LAND.
  • 22:52 THEY HAVE NO PEOPLE-HOOD.
  • 22:55 THIS IS TOTALLY FABRICATED AND IT MUST BE UNDERSTOOD THAT BECAUSE IT IS A JEWISH STATE,
  • 23:01 THE JEWISH STATE CANNOT BE ROBBED OF IT'S HERITAGE.
  • 23:05 THEY SAY TWO RIGHTS AND TWO WITH ONE STATE.
  • 23:10 IT'S NOT TRUE. IT HAS BEEN FABRICATED.
  • 23:14 THE ARABS RIGHT IS ONLY TO GO TO JORDAN IF THEY WANT TO
  • 23:19 OR GO AND LIVE IN ANY ONE OF THE MANY MILLIONS OF MILES OF TERRITORY
  • 23:22 THAT THE ARAB LANDS ENCOMPASS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
  • 23:26 BUT THE ARAB LEAGUE HAS USED AND ABUSED THESE PEOPLE THEY'VE MADE THEM INTO HUMAN BOMBS.
  • 23:32 WHEN I WROTE MY BOOK, I CALLED THEM HUMAN BOMBS.
  • 23:36 I CALLED THEM, VIRTUALLY.
  • 23:38 I DIDN'T MEAN THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE REAL BOMBS.
  • 23:41 IT NEVER, IN MY WILDEST NIGHTMARES,
  • 23:44 OH, YOU WROTE IT AWHILE BACK.
  • 23:45 YES. THEY ARE HUMAN BOMBS, LITERALLY, >>YES.
  • 23:49 AND THEY'VE BEEN CREATED BY THE ARAB WORLD
  • 23:52 TO MASK THE HATRED AGAINST A JEWISH STATE IN THEIR MIDST.
  • 23:57 AND NOW IT'S NOT JUST IN THEIR MIDST, IT'S IN AMERICA
  • 24:02 BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THE SAUDIS EGGING THEM ON.
  • 24:05 IT'S ALL ABOUT INCITING AND THESE PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN INCITED INTO A BELIEF
  • 24:11 THAT THEY CAN ONLY BE HAPPY AND GET AN IDENTITY WHICH THEY NEVER WANTED, BY THE WAY,
  • 24:18 ACCORDING TO D. H. LAWRENCE, THEY NEVER WANTED AN IDENTITY.
  • 24:20 THEY WANTED, BECAUSE THE WORLD HAS MADE THEM WANT TO WANT IT, AND THAT'S THE SADNESS.
  • 24:29 YOU MEAN T.E. LAWRENCE IT THINK, YOU MEAN LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, IS THAT WHO YOU'RE REFERRING TO?
  • 24:32 DID I SAY D.H. LAWRENCE, >>YES. THAT'S OKAY.
  • 24:35 I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
  • 24:37 HE FOUND THEM HARD TO MAKE INTO A PEOPLE, ALSO.
  • 24:42 HE FOUND IT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT HE SAID ONE VERY IMPORTANT THING,
  • 24:47 HE SAID, IT'S A GOOD THING THAT THERE ARE NO NATURAL RESOURCE IN THE ARAB WORLD,
  • 24:50 LEST I WOULD FIND IT VERY TROUBLING TO TRY AND BUILD THEM INTO A FORCE.
  • 24:54 AND THEN CAME THE OIL,
  • 24:57 THEN CAME THE OIL AND THEY HAD ALL THE NATURAL--
  • 25:00 THE EUROPEANS SEEM TO SUPPORT IT AND THE BRITISH, EVEN OVER TO MALAYSIA,
  • 25:04 YOU GET ALL THIS ANTI-SEMITISM AND IMPLICATION THAT THE PALESTINIANS DESERVE THE LAND.
  • 25:09 WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS?
  • 25:11 THESE ARE CIVILIZED PEOPLE, SUPPOSEDLY.
  • 25:13 THE RIFE HATRED OF JEWS, JEWS, SEMITES, JEWS IN THE WORLD HAS BEEN REVVED UP.
  • 25:24 I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S THE BIGGEST FORCE BEHIND IT,
  • 25:28 BUT I CAN TELL YOU I WAS DOING RESEARCH FOR 10 YEARS.
  • 25:32 I SAW A LOT OF ANTI-SEMITISM IN THE PAGES OF HISTORY.
  • 25:36 I NEVER SAW ANYTHING THE LIKES OF WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY, NOT EVEN IN HITLER'S DAY.
  • 25:44 IT'S SPREAD OUT SO FAR NOW.
  • 25:46 I WONDER IF THE PENDULUM WILL SWING SO FAR AND THEN COME BACK THE OTHER WAY
  • 25:51 BECAUSE I CAN'T BELIEVE, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE ANNE FRANK OR POLLYANNA,
  • 25:55 BUT I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA, PEOPLE LIKE ME, PEOPLE LIKE YOU,
  • 26:01 WHO ARE STILL INDOCTRINATED BY THE PHONY HANDOUTS THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT GIVES
  • 26:08 OR THE TEXTBOOKS THAT ARE WRONG, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY,
  • 26:12 THERE NOT GOING TO SAY, WHOA, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG HERE.
  • 26:15 THEY'LL HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING'S WRONG ALONG THE WAY.
  • 26:19 SOMETHING'S WRONG HERE JOAN, AND THAT IS, WE'RE OUT OF TIME.
  • 26:22 IT IS SO FASCINATING TO TALK TO YOU.
  • 26:24 THE TIME GOES BY LIKE NOTHING. IT'S TIME THAT WE WRAP UP.
  • 26:29 BUT THANKS FOR COMING AND I WANT YOU TO STAY FOR A SECOND PROGRAM
  • 26:32 AND WE'LL SHOW THAT ONE NEXT WEEK
  • 26:35 AND WE'LL SHOW THAT ON NEXT WEEK AND GO ON WITH THIS DISCUSSION.
  • 26:37 SHE'S JOAN PETERS, WHAT CAN I SAY.
  • 26:39 SHE'S "SOURCE MATERIAL". SHE UNDERSTANDS THE ENTIRE SITUATION.
  • 26:43 I MAY SOUND BIASED, MAYBE I AM BIASED,
  • 26:46 BUT SHE IS A RESEARCHER WHO HAS GONE THERE, DONE THE WORK, FOUND THE FACTS
  • 26:50 AND IS HERE TO RELATE THEM TO YOU.
  • 26:53 AND AS YOU LISTEN, SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALAYIM, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.
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