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Episode: “The Red Heifer”
Rabbis from the Temple Institute in Jerusalem came to a ranch near Rockwall, Texas in search of a red heifer without defect. If found and able to maintain it’s “kosher status”, this could be the first red heifer in over 2000 years and could begin the process of building the third Temple.

Caption transcript for “The Red Heifer”

  • 00:03 David Hart: Welcome to "Our Jewish Roots."
  • 00:06 In today's special program, we look at recent developments in
  • 00:09 the finding of the mysterious red heifer.
  • 00:12 Could this be prophecy fulfilled before our eyes?
  • 00:15 Find out.
  • 00:18 David: Thank you so much for joining us today.
  • 00:20 I am David Hart.
  • 00:21 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
  • 00:22 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: And I am Jeffrey Seif.
  • 00:24 David: Today's program seems to be all about prophecy being
  • 00:26 fulfilled, maybe before our very eyes.
  • 00:29 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Could very well be.
  • 00:30 Kirsten: Okay, this is the red heifer program,
  • 00:33 right, so I dressed in red
  • 00:35 in honor of the title of our program.
  • 00:38 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yes, but no one's gonna call you a
  • 00:39 heifer, how about that?
  • 00:41 Kirsten: Please don't.
  • 00:42 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: You got the red down.
  • 00:43 But where does it come from, a program dedicated to a cow,
  • 00:46 and that's exactly what it is, by the way.
  • 00:48 And I'll tell you why.
  • 00:49 Kirsten: Well, the thing is, Christians really,
  • 00:52 maybe when we took Bible classes years ago,
  • 00:56 read through the red heifer, and we had it,
  • 00:59 you know, make it through Old Testament history,
  • 01:02 but this is something vitally important in prophecy,
  • 01:06 is it not?
  • 01:07 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: To religious Jews,
  • 01:08 yes, and evangelicals that have an eschatological lens,
  • 01:10 a prophecy lens.
  • 01:12 It's not the kind of stuff that shows up in everyday
  • 01:14 walk-through-the-Bible courses, but let's open up the book.
  • 01:17 Numbers, in Hebrews, Bemidbar, in the wilderness,
  • 01:20 they're there and
  • 01:21 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 01:23 Moses is God's spokesperson.
  • 01:25 Chapter 19: "Adonai," the Lord, "spoke to Moses saying,
  • 01:30 'This is the statute of the Torah.'"
  • 01:33 It's an important principle.
  • 01:35 "Speak to Bnei-Yisrael," the children of Israel,
  • 01:38 "that they bring a flawless red heifer and bring it to the
  • 01:43 kohen," to the priest.
  • 01:45 It's there in the book.
  • 01:46 And we got our television cameras.
  • 01:50 We poked our nose when Eliezer's associates came to Texas.
  • 01:54 And why?
  • 01:56 Because they had some red heifers that were spotless.
  • 02:01 Why is that significant?
  • 02:02 There's a whole chapter in the Bible on it here in chapter 19.
  • 02:06 And the red heifer is used for dedicatory purposes.
  • 02:13 It's kind of like a child will have a baby dedication.
  • 02:17 Well, for religious Jews, who one day pray for the temple to
  • 02:21 be rebuilt, this is the oil that's used
  • 02:24 for the baby dedication.
  • 02:25 It's a step in the direction of the fulfillment of prophecy.
  • 02:29 It's the way religious Jews see it.
  • 02:31 We see here in the literature, they say,
  • 02:33 "Bring the high priest to do so-and-so."
  • 02:35 Well, the religious that are interested in the priesthood
  • 02:39 came knocking on Texas doors and we were there when it was opened
  • 02:43 up and when we looked at it, goodness gracious,
  • 02:47 to see that on camera.
  • 02:49 These religious Jews are just excited and there's news crews
  • 02:53 there, there's others there,
  • 02:55 as they're inspecting these heifers.
  • 02:58 And they gave them the bona fides,
  • 03:00 they gave them the legitimate status, and they were thrilled.
  • 03:06 Kirsten: They were thrilled, and to think that there hasn't
  • 03:10 been a red heifer in over 2000 years
  • 03:14 since the destruction of the last temple.
  • 03:16 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Not that they found.
  • 03:17 You can have a red cow, but there are specifications.
  • 03:20 You can't find a single non-red hair and it's gotta be spotless.
  • 03:24 And they inspect 'em, they groom 'em,
  • 03:26 they go over it with a fine-tooth comb
  • 03:28 and these came out kosher, good to go.
  • 03:32 David: I think he's kind of passionate about this today--
  • 03:34 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: It's so interesting.
  • 03:35 I gotta reap it up because if I don't give it a good
  • 03:38 introduction, people won't know what we're talking about.
  • 03:40 And even with a good introduction you might not know
  • 03:43 what we're talking about, but I want you to see,
  • 03:45 even if you don't get it, you're gonna see a number of people
  • 03:47 that are really enthused.
  • 03:49 ♪♪♪
  • 03:52 male: [indistinct]
  • 03:54 [cow lowing]
  • 03:56 ♪♪♪
  • 04:06 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: We usually go with "all quiet on the set"
  • 04:08 before we do a shoot, but it's hard to get the animals
  • 04:12 to obey our commands.
  • 04:16 Ty, you have a 1400-acre ranch here, correct?
  • 04:19 Ty Davenport: Yes, sir.
  • 04:20 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Hundreds head of cattle.
  • 04:24 And you have Jewish scholars from Israel, from Jerusalem,
  • 04:30 coming to your ranch to look at your cattle, correct?
  • 04:34 Ty: Yes, sir.
  • 04:35 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: What's the story behind that?
  • 04:41 Ty: Well, it goes back several years ago.
  • 04:44 My brother had met these gentlemen that were from
  • 04:50 Ethiopia and this Ethiopian Jew talked about this red heifer and
  • 04:56 bragged to him, "Well, my brother raises red heifers,
  • 04:59 red cattle: Red Angus."
  • 05:02 So time went by, and Byron came with some friends and said,
  • 05:09 "Can we come out and look at your cattle?"
  • 05:11 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Red heifer? Let me interject for a second.
  • 05:13 I don't wanna talk over you.
  • 05:15 "Para Adumma," in Hebrew: red heifer.
  • 05:20 If you don't know it, this is extremely important
  • 05:24 to religious Jews.
  • 05:27 The discovery of the red heifer from their perspective
  • 05:30 is on the cusp of prophecy inaugurating a Messianic era.
  • 05:34 It's a big to-do for them.
  • 05:36 And this just rolled onto your shores.
  • 05:38 Now, go ahead. I don't wanna talk too much.
  • 05:40 Ty: Well, no, no, I love the early testament 'cause I was
  • 05:46 familiar with the red heifer from reading Numbers 19,
  • 05:50 which talks all about what's needed to dedicate the temple.
  • 05:55 And so when they tell me this is--this could be the tenth
  • 05:59 heifer which would be the final heifer before
  • 06:02 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 06:04 Moshiach returns, I got really excited.
  • 06:06 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: You're learning a little Hebrew.
  • 06:08 You're getting into the game, aren't you?
  • 06:09 Ty: Oh, yeah, yeah, I've always loved Hebrew people.
  • 06:12 I feel like I'm grafted in. I'm one of them.
  • 06:14 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Well, you are now.
  • 06:16 You're a veterinarian too.
  • 06:17 Ty: Yes, I am.
  • 06:19 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: So you know one or two things about cattle,
  • 06:20 I'd imagine?
  • 06:21 Ty: Yeah, I'm humbled, I'm really humbled,
  • 06:24 Jeff, to think that this was my purpose in life.
  • 06:28 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: I was about to say that sometimes when we're
  • 06:30 older in life, I'm 66, we look back and we see how everything
  • 06:34 leads up to it, so from your perspective,
  • 06:37 here a veterinarian, a couple hundred head of cattle,
  • 06:41 1400-acre ranch, and here you are,
  • 06:44 you have red cattle and, bingo, you hit pay dirt.
  • 06:47 You're on--there's a sense of something special.
  • 06:50 Ty: It is, it is.
  • 06:53 Back, about 1991, I rededicated my life to the Lord and,
  • 06:58 at the time, I said, "Well, I wanna--I'm going to change the
  • 07:04 herd that I'm gonna--" and I'd read about the red heifer.
  • 07:07 So I said, "I'm gonna change over
  • 07:08 and I'mma start raising red cattle."
  • 07:10 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: So it was deliberate,
  • 07:11 and it was inspired by biblical text?
  • 07:13 Ty: Yeah, and by the Holy Spirit, yeah.
  • 07:15 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yeah, yeah, gotcha,
  • 07:16 gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
  • 07:18 Ty: You know, he gave me a love for the red cattle,
  • 07:21 and my dad too who, at the time, wasn't a Christian.
  • 07:25 But Dad said, "Well, you know, okay."
  • 07:27 He said, "Let me look around," and at the time,
  • 07:31 the premier herd was in Montana so Dad said,
  • 07:33 "Mother and I are gonna drive up there and look at those cattle."
  • 07:36 And when he comes back, he brings back this Red Angus bull,
  • 07:40 and that was the beginning of raising Red Angus.
  • 07:43 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: So this was intentional?
  • 07:44 Ty: Yes.
  • 07:47 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: What a day.
  • 07:49 As the ranchers gathered the red calves for inspection,
  • 07:53 I couldn't help but wonder if this is indeed prophecy being
  • 07:58 fulfilled in our very day.
  • 08:02 To help facilitate the rabbis from the Temple Institute in
  • 08:05 their international search is Boneh Israel,
  • 08:09 a camaraderie of Christians and Jews working to restore
  • 08:14 relations with Israel and the Bible.
  • 08:17 Byron Stinson acts as team leader on this project.
  • 08:22 Byron Stinson: What I see happening here,
  • 08:23 it's all biblical, right out of the Bible.
  • 08:25 This is something that it's been 3000 years since this happened.
  • 08:30 I'm--I study the Bible a lot and what I've seen is that the
  • 08:34 fathers of our faith are the Jewish fathers in Israel,
  • 08:37 and in the book of Malachi, it says if the fathers and the
  • 08:40 children don't come together and care about each other,
  • 08:43 if there's not unity between us, then the Lord is--there's gonna
  • 08:47 be a curse upon the land.
  • 08:48 And so, what I see is the--and when Israel scattered,
  • 08:52 680 BC, all over the earth, then Israel still had a
  • 08:57 spirit to follow the Lord.
  • 08:58 And the way that they were able to do that was through the
  • 09:01 Bible, they were able to find the Torah,
  • 09:03 they would find the writing of the prophets,
  • 09:05 and so they found those in churches all over the world.
  • 09:07 So you see the children of Israel scattered across the
  • 09:10 earth, and they're in churches and their spirit is drawing them
  • 09:13 back to the land and to this final time when there's unity.
  • 09:17 'Cause we know during the time of Solomon that Judah and Israel
  • 09:20 were separated.
  • 09:22 So what I see has happened is Judah was returned.
  • 09:24 After the World War II, Judah went back and built up the
  • 09:28 nation strong, and now they're a strong nation and they're ready
  • 09:31 to build the temple.
  • 09:33 But God had promised that he would reunite Israel and Judah.
  • 09:37 So I see it like the two sticks.
  • 09:39 If you go to Ezekiel 37, at the end of the verse,
  • 09:42 you'll see that there's two sticks
  • 09:43 that God holds in one hand.
  • 09:45 It becomes one stick.
  • 09:47 And so I believe that the red heifer is an opportunity for us,
  • 09:50 as fathers of the faith, my friend Tsaki and I,
  • 09:54 to be a picture of those two sticks.
  • 09:58 Now, we've chosen to love each other,
  • 10:00 to care about each other, and to be unified in everything that
  • 10:04 we're doing together.
  • 10:06 So I see this red heifer as that.
  • 10:07 It's also, the rabbis were
  • 10:09 saying the red represents the blood.
  • 10:11 I believe that.
  • 10:12 I believe that Yeshua is the Messiah.
  • 10:15 My rabbi friends haven't seen that yet,
  • 10:17 but what they said, "We agree on 90%.
  • 10:20 So let's just get together on the 90%,
  • 10:22 let's love each other, and when Jesus comes or when the Messiah
  • 10:26 comes, then what we'll do is we'll check his passport and if
  • 10:29 he happens to have two stamps, then we'll know that was right.
  • 10:31 But for right now, let's just love each other."
  • 10:34 So, we're starting here, and we come in unity and we're not
  • 10:38 gonna be broken apart.
  • 10:39 We're gonna be friends, gonna love each other,
  • 10:41 and this red heifer is an opportunity,
  • 10:43 I believe, for us to come together around this red heifer
  • 10:47 ceremony that's gonna go on.
  • 10:49 And the world's gonna see this.
  • 10:50 It's--the whole world needs--at this time,
  • 10:53 we need something like this to unify us.
  • 10:56 You know, with all of the things that are going on,
  • 10:59 we need to come together.
  • 11:08 David: Our resource this week,
  • 11:09 the series, "Jeremiah: Hope Over the Horizon," on DVD.
  • 11:13 The prophet Jeremiah was called to warn Judah that judgment was
  • 11:16 coming at the hands of the Babylonians.
  • 11:19 What we find woven through his writings is a message of hope
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  • 12:25 David: Right now, we take you to the inspection
  • 12:26 of the red heifer, with the rabbis.
  • 12:29 Let's go there right now.
  • 12:30 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 12:38 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 12:48 male: --in the land of Israel?
  • 12:51 Chanan Kuperski: All came out here, heard the news
  • 12:53 [speaking in Hebrew] that we came out here.
  • 12:55 And they were dashing from excitement and ecstatic
  • 13:01 of what they heard.
  • 13:03 And we're hoping today, we just say a small prayer,
  • 13:05 we just sat down.
  • 13:07 We're hoping that God will help us inspect
  • 13:10 and find the right red heifer, if it's one, if it's two,
  • 13:13 if it's many it's many.
  • 13:15 So we just are about now to do the inspection.
  • 13:20 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: And the inspection begins.
  • 13:23 According to Numbers chapter 19, a red heifer must be without
  • 13:26 defect or blemish, nothing, and must have never been
  • 13:31 placed under a yoke.
  • 13:33 Well, these rabbis from Israel used the Mishnah,
  • 13:36 an ancient oral collection of Jewish traditions,
  • 13:39 and with those in mind, they meticulously inspect the hairs
  • 13:44 of the heifer to be precise.
  • 13:47 Not only must the cow be pure and red,
  • 13:49 but it cannot contain more than two hairs of a different color.
  • 13:53 Imagine that.
  • 13:55 The cow has to be at least three years old,
  • 13:57 never haltered, and never impregnated.
  • 14:01 These qualifications have made the search for a perfect red
  • 14:04 heifer a near impossibility throughout history.
  • 14:08 And then, there's today.
  • 14:11 Itshack "Tsaki" Momo: We--all this project is connected to the
  • 14:14 Temple Institute in Jerusalem and actually,
  • 14:18 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 14:19 somewhere there, is represented Temple Institute,
  • 14:24 he's working the Temple Institute.
  • 14:26 Wayne Hamit: A geneticist, I believe with the Temple
  • 14:29 Institute, figured out that one out of every 50,000 of the Red
  • 14:34 Angus is born with all red and so they're just playing the
  • 14:39 numbers and they've been reaching out to the Red Angus
  • 14:42 Cattle Association for a few months,
  • 14:45 and they have--there's been a number of rabbinical delegations
  • 14:49 looking for these--looking for the right one.
  • 14:53 Tsaki: And there is a few things that we have to solve
  • 14:57 together to, I hope, succeed, to make this project
  • 15:01 of the red heifer.
  • 15:02 I call it a project for us,
  • 15:05 but it's actually a project of God, so.
  • 15:07 There is two issue.
  • 15:09 One issue is--to understand that there is a
  • 15:12 possibility to find the right heifer.
  • 15:16 Something that, I don't know why,
  • 15:17 but nobody think about it, to come to Texas to find Byron
  • 15:21 Stinson and to ask Byron, "Please help us to hunt red
  • 15:24 heifer and to make a search all over the ranch and find red
  • 15:30 heifer, so.
  • 15:31 First of all, is the possibility to know that it's possible.
  • 15:37 This is one.
  • 15:38 Now we are little in the second step because after Chanan and me
  • 15:45 was here last, two months ago I think,
  • 15:49 now we bring another two very, very important rabbis,
  • 15:52 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 15:54 that actually came to see exactly because,
  • 15:58 you know, by the tradition we have a few rules
  • 16:00 about the red heifer.
  • 16:02 First of all, everybody know, no tag in the ear or other--
  • 16:08 Byron: Marks.
  • 16:09 Tsaki: --tattoo or something like this,
  • 16:11 so thanks to Byron in this ranch,
  • 16:14 they didn't do it to the new baby cattle.
  • 16:18 Second, we're not allowed it will be more than two white or
  • 16:25 black hair.
  • 16:26 So, actually, we look every hair to see if it's red.
  • 16:33 Third thing is connected for all the kind of sacrifice,
  • 16:37 not only for the red heifer, it's to see that the body is
  • 16:39 complete, no blemish, no cutting,
  • 16:44 no broken legs or something.
  • 16:48 So, all of that, they try to see exactly how it--
  • 16:53 The strange thing is that, actually,
  • 16:55 more than 2000 years nobody do it.
  • 16:59 We don't have sacrifice 2000 years,
  • 17:02 so now we back to the past and start to learn all the rules and
  • 17:09 to understand all the rules, but we read in the books,
  • 17:12 the old books, and today we can do it and feel it.
  • 17:16 I hope to succeed.
  • 17:19 Byron: There's a group of rabbis that have come from
  • 17:21 Israel to find the perfect red heifer and that matters because
  • 17:26 they wanna build the third temple.
  • 17:29 They believe that if they build the third temple,
  • 17:31 the Messiah will come, but that can't start until they find a
  • 17:35 cow, a red heifer, without blemish,
  • 17:38 and then they want to kill it, burn its ashes,
  • 17:43 mix its ashes from the springs of the Gihon Springs.
  • 17:46 That would be the closest spring to the temple,
  • 17:50 and then with a special hyssop, sprinkle the water on the people
  • 17:55 at the ceremony, and then the Spirit of the Lord will come up
  • 17:58 on the people and that's the beginning of the construction of
  • 18:03 the third temple.
  • 18:04 Tsaki: 'Cause we know that to the temple--to build a temple
  • 18:08 and to get insight to the Mount Moriah,
  • 18:11 we had to be pure.
  • 18:13 And the big problem today is we are not pure because all of us
  • 18:18 visit cemetery, maybe we touch dead people,
  • 18:24 so the first step is, first of all, to be pure.
  • 18:28 And to be pure, we need first of all, red heifer.
  • 18:31 At the moment that we have the red heifer so we can continue to
  • 18:35 the next stage.
  • 18:37 Now, we don't know if we can do it tomorrow morning.
  • 18:41 Let's say, minimum one and a half year because we need the
  • 18:44 cattle to be two years and one month.
  • 18:47 It's in the third year.
  • 18:50 So we have to wait another one and a half year,
  • 18:52 but sit down today to talk about pure, unpure.
  • 18:56 It's something that looking some little crazy,
  • 19:00 if I can say, but yes, this is part of the redemption that we
  • 19:07 are, you know, we see the--we see the state of Israel,
  • 19:13 everything is change, everything is a miracle.
  • 19:16 And we know that there is a lot of questions,
  • 19:19 a lot of things that we are not understand.
  • 19:21 Rabbi Ramon: We are very, very pleased to be here with you.
  • 19:25 You know, on the one hand, the red cow is something that King
  • 19:31 Solomon didn't know the reason.
  • 19:33 But you know, it's very exciting because today we were trying to
  • 19:37 do what God tells them when they understand.
  • 19:41 To do what God says-- don't understand,
  • 19:44 because you do what he tells you to do.
  • 19:46 And the red cow is a good sign for us.
  • 19:49 All that I can remember, we tried to understand this and
  • 19:52 this but also we want to understand the highest thing in
  • 19:57 our world is to do what God tells us,
  • 19:59 you understand, you don't understand.
  • 20:02 The red cow is very special because it's red,
  • 20:06 also in the outside and also in the inside.
  • 20:09 All the blood is red.
  • 20:11 And it's so something that, you know,
  • 20:13 outside and inside is connected and like this to know God
  • 20:19 created us pure, clean.
  • 20:22 Sometimes we are doing things not the best,
  • 20:24 but inside, everyone is clean and pure and this red cow,
  • 20:28 that's inside and outside is the same,
  • 20:30 helps us to go another level to be clean and pure,
  • 20:34 to be close to God.
  • 20:36 And to see all of you here, and all of us believe in redemption,
  • 20:41 in [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 20:42 it's something so special that
  • 20:44 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 20:45 piece it all together,
  • 20:47 will help all the world to be better world,
  • 20:49 and to be closer to God, closer to
  • 20:51 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 20:52 so thanks for everyone.
  • 20:54 male: Thank you.
  • 20:56 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: The purpose of the search for the red heifer
  • 20:59 is for purification purposes: eventually,
  • 21:03 to purify a restored temple and for individuals
  • 21:07 to be purified themselves.
  • 21:11 No wonder they're so very excited to finally finding a
  • 21:13 suitable candidate for this extremely rare offering.
  • 21:19 Tsaki: We know that there was nine red heifer that done
  • 21:24 by--the first one done by Moses and then by King Solomon and
  • 21:32 then at the second temple time, another seven.
  • 21:35 And we hope that the tenth one will be the one that will close
  • 21:43 the Messiah.
  • 21:44 Byron: Bring the Messiah.
  • 21:45 Tsaki: Bring the Messiah to be here and to be the step and
  • 21:50 the second step to the Temple Mount.
  • 21:57 Tsaki: Let me translate what he said.
  • 21:59 He said we think we've found--we think we've found a red heifer.
  • 22:06 But, but, but, but, we have to wait,
  • 22:12 first of all, because the red heifer had
  • 22:15 to be three years old.
  • 22:18 Tsaki: Perfect is a good question because
  • 22:19 this is the question.
  • 22:21 We're looking for the perfect.
  • 22:23 We found a red heifer, yeah.
  • 22:25 We found that we have here 100% red heifer.
  • 22:32 If this one the perfect, we don't know,
  • 22:34 because we have another 1 1/2 year until they will grow up.
  • 22:39 They can be sick, they can die, they can maybe change the color
  • 22:43 of a few hairs.
  • 22:46 So if it's perfect, we don't know but we--it looks good.
  • 22:52 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: With thoughts of rebuilding
  • 22:54 the temple, the third temple that is,
  • 22:57 on everyone's mind there, we asked Tsaki if he believes we're
  • 23:02 truly living in the time of the Moshiach.
  • 23:07 Tsaki: What is this?
  • 23:09 We are living in modern time that nobody has.
  • 23:14 We're living with opportunity to go all over the world with no
  • 23:20 problem, just buy a ticket.
  • 23:22 We can talk rabbis and pastors and Jewish and Christian and
  • 23:28 Muslim, so I mean, how look like when the Messiah will be came?
  • 23:33 It will be something else?
  • 23:38 Kirsten: Those are some excited rabbi.
  • 23:40 They came all the way from Jerusalem to Texas,
  • 23:44 yee-hah, I mean, they were excited about this heifer.
  • 23:47 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Do you know, the Chasidim, the religious
  • 23:49 Jews, as a rule, put enthusiasm into worship.
  • 23:52 They're the charismatic Pentecostals
  • 23:54 of orthodox Judaism.
  • 23:56 They really, in their mind, really had something to be
  • 23:58 excited about here; in my mind too.
  • 24:00 Kirsten: And they--oh, sorry, you go ahead.
  • 24:02 David: They think they've found what they were looking
  • 24:03 for, right?
  • 24:04 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: You know, we used to have--
  • 24:06 for finding Jesus people would say,
  • 24:07 "I found it."
  • 24:08 In other words, this is the step in the right direction.
  • 24:11 Well, for them, from the Temple Institute world,
  • 24:14 finding a red heifer is a big step in the right direction.
  • 24:17 Kirsten: Huge, and it's, you know,
  • 24:20 thousands of years since they've had one and I know they've been
  • 24:23 trying for years, right?
  • 24:24 They've been breeding cattle here in Texas and over in Israel
  • 24:28 and they haven't found the one and they're just hopeful.
  • 24:32 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: The emergence of the nation state of
  • 24:34 Israel has awakened sensibilities about Bible
  • 24:37 prophecy and restoration, what God is up to in the world in
  • 24:40 advance of his coming to finally and fully redeem it.
  • 24:43 And in the Jewish mind's eye, the reconstruction of a temple
  • 24:47 is significant, of course.
  • 24:49 And for evangelical Christians of various stripes too,
  • 24:52 the emergence of a temple carries a lot of baggage.
  • 24:55 Well, the Temple Institute in Jerusalem which is where those
  • 24:58 gentlemen are from, they're all about refabricating the
  • 25:02 accoutrements of the temple and things
  • 25:03 have already been rebuilt.
  • 25:05 People know about the tabernacle in biblical days.
  • 25:07 Well, the Menorah, the candelabra, has been built.
  • 25:10 It's on display.
  • 25:11 The table of showbread has been built.
  • 25:14 The incense altar has been built.
  • 25:17 And if you're gonna be sacrificing in a temple,
  • 25:19 just like if you have a fireplace at home,
  • 25:21 you need tools for the barbecue pit.
  • 25:23 And all that stuff's been refabricated according to
  • 25:26 religious Jewish specifications.
  • 25:28 It's on display.
  • 25:30 People have to go to Jerusalem, to the Temple Institute there.
  • 25:33 Here, the Temple Institute came to us because they might have
  • 25:37 the barbecue, but they don't have the beef
  • 25:38 to throw on the barbecue.
  • 25:40 Lo and behold, welcome to Texas where we do barbecue right.
  • 25:44 But here, you know, the red heifer,
  • 25:46 they were really excited and I was excited to be there and
  • 25:48 watch 'em excited.
  • 25:50 Kirsten: We talked about this program so many times,
  • 25:52 about the excitement of what we were gonna say,
  • 25:54 and we were talking about these heifers and I think they found
  • 25:58 six at the ranch, total.
  • 25:59 I know we're talking about one, but they found six.
  • 26:02 And I kind of laughed about these poor little heifers must
  • 26:04 be, like, bubble-wrapped and just hanging so they don't drop,
  • 26:08 no one bites 'em, nothing happens to 'em.
  • 26:10 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: It's true.
  • 26:11 You know, getting 'em to Israel is gonna cost a fortune.
  • 26:13 It's first class and then some, you know,
  • 26:15 and they're not gonna be bouncing around in cargo.
  • 26:17 David: Fascinating program today.
  • 26:18 We're so glad for your insight.
  • 26:20 It's been great. It's time to end our program.
  • 26:22 I can't believe it.
  • 26:24 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yes, and thank you very much.
  • 26:25 I did very little. You do so very much.
  • 26:26 Thanks for keeping us on the air.
  • 26:28 As you go, Shaalu shalom Yerushalayim.
  • 26:31 David: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
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