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• 00:07 ♪♪♪ David Hart: Thank you so much for joining us today.
• 00:09 We hope you've watched our past programs, our series on "Road
• 00:13 Map to Armageddon."
• 00:14 We've had many interviews with experts and not a whole lot of
• 00:20 time to show those on our last programs.
• 00:22 Kirsten Hart: Right, that's why we want to bring you this extra
• 00:24 program with bonus interview segments, very timely.
• 00:29 And Josh and Caleb, you met with some experts in this field.
• 00:33 Caleb Colson: Oh, yes, we did.
• 00:34 Joshua Colson: It's amazing when you meet with an expert.
• 00:36 I mean, I kind of live with an expert, but here's the deal.
• 00:38 You get talking with these guys about any topic and it's not a
• 00:40 2- to 3-minute conversation.
• 00:42 In fact, they're saying, "Can we keep going?"
• 00:44 60 minutes into this conversation.
• 00:45 We want people to be able to hear the meat of these topics.
• 00:48 There is so much biblically that goes into answering these
• 00:51 questions and we live in a day and age where the idea of a
• 00:54 pre-Tribulation Rapture is fallen so out of what-- what's--
• 00:59 what are we looking for?
• 01:01 Caleb: The normality.
• 01:02 Joshua: The normality of what people believe in, yeah.
• 01:03 Caleb: When we were teaching about pre-Tribulation Rapture in
• 01:05 "Road Map to Armageddon," it really struck a nerve.
• 01:07 We got a lot of comments, a lot of interesting comments, people
• 01:11 saying that's not true, that doesn't exist.
• 01:13 So we were at a pre-Tribulation conference and there were as
• 01:17 many excellent speakers that were discussing that.
• 01:20 And so we want to go more into what they have to say about a
• 01:24 pre-Tribulation Rapture, guys, so here are some of
• 01:26 these interviews.
• 01:28 I think you're gonna enjoy them.
• 01:30 Caleb: I know you're a proponent, a teacher, of a
• 01:32 pre-Tribulation Rapture that believers are spared from
• 01:35 the wrath.
• 01:37 Why is it that you believe that?
• 01:38 I know it's fallen out of favor recently.
• 01:40 You have COVID start and everybody goes, "We're in the
• 01:42 Tribulation now this has happened."
• 01:44 I don't believe that's the case but what are the evidences in
• 01:49 scripture that that is the case, that we are saved from
• 01:52 that wrath?
• 01:53 Dr. Andy Woods: Well, one is what you just said.
• 01:56 There's a number of passages.
• 01:58 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 1 Thessalonians 5:9, et cetera, et
• 02:01 cetera, that say we're not pre, you know, destined for the
• 02:05 coming wrath of God.
• 02:06 And what are the seal, trumpet, and bowl judgments?
• 02:10 They're in the book of Revelation.
• 02:12 They're a manifestation of his wrath.
• 02:14 So we can't-- if we're in it, then God broke his promise.
• 02:19 And the other thing is when you look at the futuristic section
• 02:23 of the book of Revelation, the book of Revelation is divided
• 02:27 into three, right?
• 02:28 The things that you've seen, the things that are, the things that
• 02:32 will take place after these things.
• 02:35 The things that take place after these things is the
• 02:38 futuristic section.
• 02:39 There is no reference to the church either in word or concept
• 02:46 on the Earth, not only there, but in any
• 02:49 eschatological passage.
• 02:52 You know, Ezekiel 38 and 39 there's no reference to the
• 02:55 church on Earth.
• 02:57 Zechariah 12 through 14, there's no reference to the church on
• 03:00 the Earth and--
• 03:02 Lee Brainard: Well, a lot of it is just simply trusting
• 03:04 the plain statements of scripture and not being swayed
• 03:07 by arguments that sound persuasive,
• 03:11 but don't have substance in them.
• 03:12 For instance, I will go to Revelation 3:10 and it says,
• 03:14 "Because you've kept the word of my patience, I also will keep
• 03:18 you from the hour of trial that's coming upon the whole
• 03:20 world to try those that dwell upon the Earth."
• 03:22 Now, this is just common sense that a 6th-grader
• 03:25 can understand.
• 03:26 The hour of trial, it comes upon the whole globe.
• 03:29 There has not been an hour of trial that comes upon the whole
• 03:32 globe since the flood.
• 03:34 That means this is in the future.
• 03:36 I don't understand how anyone can look at the first five seals
• 03:40 and then say, "I think we're in the seals right now."
• 03:42 It doesn't make any sense to me.
• 03:44 If you look, the first seal is the rise and reign of
• 03:46 the Antichrist.
• 03:47 Well, unless you spiritualize that, where's the Antichrist?
• 03:50 And then you come to the second seal: peace is taken from
• 03:53 the Earth.
• 03:54 Well, spotted wars here and there across the globe, that is
• 03:56 not peace taken from the Earth.
• 03:59 And then the fourth seal takes a quarter of the
• 04:01 world's population.
• 04:02 Well, we're not seeing that.
• 04:04 Caleb: That's right.
• 04:06 Kirsten: For 45 years, this ministry has taught a
• 04:11 pre-Tribulation Rapture.
• 04:14 I think Zola Levitt was probably on the cutting edge at that time
• 04:18 to come out and say, "I believe this is how it's happening."
• 04:22 You guys teach the same thing.
• 04:24 Joshua: We do because the Word of God is consistent.
• 04:26 So whether it's been 45 years or 2000 years, what Yeshua preached
• 04:30 and what's in the Word remains the same and steadfast.
• 04:33 We live in a time period where man likes to try to alter the
• 04:37 Word of God through what seems to be something that people want
• 04:40 to hear for the day, what tickles their ears and things
• 04:44 like that.
• 04:45 And what we're seeing is that you can't do that.
• 04:47 Caleb: And see, God wanted to spare us the bride from
• 04:50 his wrath.
• 04:52 The wrath is for the wicked.
• 04:53 And that time of the Tribulation is not meant for us because
• 04:56 we're gonna be up in heaven, we're gonna be celebrating the
• 04:58 marriage supper of the Lamb.
• 05:00 So, it's very important that we are spared from that, that time
• 05:03 of judgment, because it has been prophesied for millennia that
• 05:08 it's gonna occur.
• 05:09 And the subject of this great Tribulations for the last
• 05:12 3.5 years of the Tribulation is very important topic.
• 05:16 And not a lot of people understand what that
• 05:19 really means.
• 05:20 Kirsten: And you have some bonus interview from two people that
• 05:25 are experts in all of this on what that great Tribulation time
• 05:30 might look like.
• 05:31 Let's go there right now.
• 05:34 Jeff Kinley: Yeah, so, there'll be a one world religion in the
• 05:36 first part of the Tribulation period.
• 05:38 But Satan, because his long ambition is to, as you said, be
• 05:42 worshiped and to rule the world, he's gonna do that through
• 05:45 personifying himself through the Antichrist.
• 05:47 So at that point, he's gonna basically say, "Look, I'm tired
• 05:50 of these other religions.
• 05:52 Christianity's gotta go," the Rapture's already happened.
• 05:55 "Islam's gotta go," that'll probably happen with Ezekiel
• 05:57 38:39 war and then all that's left are the Jews.
• 06:01 And so all the bull's eye goes back to the Jewish people.
• 06:04 And so Satan is gonna put a target on them, try to
• 06:07 exterminate them from the planet.
• 06:09 And that's when that mid time-- that midpoint event happens with
• 06:12 the abomination of desolation.
• 06:14 Andy: The tribulation is for the salvation of the Jewish nation.
• 06:18 It's a time of Jacob's trouble but, you know, she-- he will be
• 06:23 saved out of it.
• 06:24 Well, we're, as the church, you know, we're not Jacob and
• 06:29 certainly we've benefited from Israel.
• 06:32 We would have nothing as a church if it wasn't for Israel,
• 06:35 but we don't take over Israel's place, and so--
• 06:40 Kirsten: When we interviewed, oh, my gosh, 8 years ago now,
• 06:44 for our positions with Zola Levitt Ministries and for, at
• 06:48 that time, it was "Zola Levitt Presents," now, "Our Jewish
• 06:51 Roots" program, we had an interview with Mark Levitt who
• 06:56 is Zola Levitt's son.
• 06:58 And at that time, Mark asked us, he said, "Do you believe in
• 07:03 replacement theology?"
• 07:06 And I thought, "I don't even know what replacement
• 07:09 theology is."
• 07:10 I mean, we grew up in the church and I honestly had no idea that
• 07:15 some churches believe that they have replaced the Jewish people.
• 07:20 I, thank goodness, have-- and never-- was never taught that.
• 07:24 David: Yeah, Sunday School, I don't remember hearing that or
• 07:27 even from the pulpit.
• 07:28 Kirsten: But it's everywhere.
• 07:30 Let's kick out the Jewish people and replace it with the
• 07:33 Christian church, which we do not believe in.
• 07:37 Caleb: Absolutely not.
• 07:38 But it's gained traction again in this world, especially since
• 07:41 the war with Hamas on October 7.
• 07:45 The new message that the church
• 07:47 is pushing, because we read comments online and people send
• 07:50 us their messages, is that the Israelites in the land today
• 07:53 aren't the real Israelites.
• 07:54 It's a new insidious twist on replacement theology saying,
• 07:57 "Oh, it's the Africans in Africa.
• 08:00 They're the real Israelites," or "It's the British in England.
• 08:03 They're the lost ten tribes."
• 08:05 And there's so many perverse spins on things because Satan
• 08:08 has always tried to dilute the waters of potency of God's
• 08:12 chosen people.
• 08:14 He wants to remove him.
• 08:15 I mean, he tried through Hitler.
• 08:16 I mean, 6.5 million Jews dead.
• 08:20 Obviously, Satan thought that those Jewish people were the
• 08:23 real Jews because he wouldn't have wasted his time
• 08:25 annihilating them.
• 08:26 Joshua: That's how the enemy always has done.
• 08:28 I always equate this even when I was talking with my children
• 08:30 about this topic, how is it that you can hurt a daddy the most?
• 08:34 You hurt a daddy the most by hurting his kids.
• 08:37 And so the plan of the enemy has been very simple.
• 08:39 He has tried to attack the children of God since the very
• 08:42 beginning because he wants to cut a quick into the heart
• 08:44 of God.
• 08:46 And it's our responsibility to defend the people of Israel.
• 08:48 And to understand that the covenants that God made with
• 08:50 Israel are resolute and everlasting.
• 08:52 When God makes a covenant with somebody, it goes on eternally.
• 08:55 Now, the people who are not from Israel who accept Yeshua as
• 09:00 their Lord and Savior, yes, they are a part of the kingdom and
• 09:04 they will spend eternity with him.
• 09:05 But it doesn't transpose the promises that God made
• 09:08 specifically to Israel over to them just because they believe
• 09:10 in Yeshua.
• 09:12 David: And you guys talked to more experts about this topic.
• 09:14 Let's go there now.
• 09:17 Andy: Satan has always worked in history to destroy the Jewish
• 09:22 nation and the Jewish people.
• 09:24 Now, why is that?
• 09:25 Because God, as one of the ways he's gonna bring his covenant
• 09:29 back-- his kingdom back to the Earth, has made an unconditional
• 09:32 covenant with the Jewish nation.
• 09:34 In other words, they are his instrument through which he'll
• 09:39 bless the whole world, Genesis 12, verse 3.
• 09:41 So Satan likes his position of authority.
• 09:45 So what better way to keep it than to try to blot out the
• 09:50 nation through which the kingdom is gonna come one day.
• 09:53 So that's how I understand Jew hatred, the world against
• 09:58 Israel, that you see today, but you see it really all the way
• 10:02 through the Bible.
• 10:04 You go to-- you go to the book of Esther, Haman, you know, is
• 10:07 developing a plan to exterminate the Jews.
• 10:10 You've got Adolf Hitler, World War Two era, et cetera.
• 10:14 And so the current war in Israel is just sort of an outworking of
• 10:19 that angelic-- I would call it an angelic conflict.
• 10:24 Olivier Melnick: And the two key words again, are demonic
• 10:26 and irrational.
• 10:28 Only Satan can make the irrational look and
• 10:30 sound rational.
• 10:31 And it is demonic, it is from Satan, because, and going back
• 10:35 to the Tribulation now, he wants-- he knows that at the end
• 10:38 of the 7-year Tribulation, the time of Jacob's trouble, the
• 10:41 Jewish people will corporately say, "Blessed is you who comes
• 10:44 in the name of the Lord, Baruch Habah B'shem Adonai."
• 10:47 And that's when Yeshua comes back.
• 10:49 A lot-- most Christians actually don't know that Jesus, Yeshua,
• 10:52 does not return-- not the Rapture; the Second Coming.
• 10:55 Does not return until the Jewish people call on him.
• 10:59 And that's connected to Zechariah 12:10.
• 11:02 And so, what we have here is with Satan, who knows that his
• 11:06 career is going to be an end-- it's gonna be ended when Yeshua
• 11:12 returns and he doesn't really care for his retirement plan.
• 11:16 He doesn't like where he's going.
• 11:17 So if he could stop the Jews from calling on Jesus, then his
• 11:22 job is safe.
• 11:23 He's gonna keep his job and he's not-- and Jesus is not
• 11:25 coming back.
• 11:26 So that's what he's-- that's what he's been doing for
• 11:28 2000 years.
• 11:29 More than that.
• 11:31 He's been behind anti-Semitism and he's gonna try.
• 11:33 He tried at the First Coming to stop Jesus from coming and he's
• 11:36 gonna try again, and he's not gonna succeed.
• 11:39 But casualties, unfortunately, will take place and the
• 11:43 casualties that we-- when it comes to the Jewish people, we
• 11:46 look at 'em from Zachariah 13:8-9, that two-thirds of the
• 11:49 Jewish people will die during the Tribulation and one-third
• 11:54 will be refined as silver and gold.
• 11:56 And that's that one-third that will say, "Blessed is he who
• 11:59 comes in the name of the Lord," at the end of the 7 years.
• 12:01 The important part about that scripture, I-- the first time I
• 12:05 saw that scripture, I got really upset.
• 12:06 I told my wife, she's the one who led me to the Lord 40
• 12:09 years ago.
• 12:10 And I-- early on I said, "You know, I don't like this.
• 12:12 This is the-- two-thirds of the Jews are gonna be killed during
• 12:15 the Tribulation.
• 12:16 That's if it's happened today, that's more than the Holocaust.
• 12:19 That's 10 million out of the 15 million.
• 12:21 And the Holocaust was 6 million.
• 12:22 I don't like this, but it's part of the Word.
• 12:24 So I can't take it out.
• 12:26 I can't rewrite the Bible."
• 12:28 And then she said, "Think about it.
• 12:30 It's a percentage, not a number."
• 12:32 And I go like, "So what?"
• 12:34 And she said, "Well, if it's a percentage, if we lead Jewish
• 12:37 people to their Messiah before the Rapture, they'll come
• 12:40 with us.
• 12:41 That percentage remains the same, 2 to 1, but the number can
• 12:44 be reduced."
• 12:45 And that got me encouraged.
• 12:47 And now I'm really excited about getting my people saved.
• 12:49 Joshua: So you've talked about the importance and I'm sure in
• 12:52 your books and whatnot that we have to get these
• 12:55 numbers shifted.
• 12:56 We have to get more lives into the kingdom, with what you do in
• 12:59 your ministry.
• 13:01 What do you recommend for people who are watching and how they
• 13:03 can be effective in ministering to the Jewish people and
• 13:06 fighting this anti-Semitism that you're seeing rising up?
• 13:09 There's a couple of things that I would recommend people do.
• 13:12 One thing is when you talk to-- when you talk to Jewish people,
• 13:16 as a believer, as a Christian, a lot-- I do this seminar a lot
• 13:22 and a lot of Christians do not have a clue about the history of
• 13:27 the Jewish people seen through the lens of anti-Semitism, which
• 13:30 a lot was done by the Church, by pseudo-Christians.
• 13:34 You know, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, the
• 13:37 Black Plagues, Martin Luther, all those things.
• 13:39 So I tell Christians when you walk into a a conversation, when
• 13:42 you walk into a room, and you wanna talk to a Jewish person,
• 13:45 you wanna have a conversation, it's very important you
• 13:47 understand that you bring baggage with you.
• 13:49 And I have this slide that I show in my seminar.
• 13:52 It's like an old-fashioned suitcase, and all the labels of
• 13:54 all the city you visited and it says, "Black Plague," "Pograms,"
• 13:58 "Holocaust," "Martin Luther," "Inquisition," "Crusades."
• 14:01 And I tell the people, "This is a Christian baggage.
• 14:04 You need to know it exists.
• 14:05 You cannot ignore it.
• 14:07 You need to know what's inside."
• 14:08 So you have to know about every single one because your
• 14:10 Jewish friend is gonna go, "What about the," fill in the blank?
• 14:12 And you can't just say, like, "Well, I don't know, but Jesus
• 14:15 loves you."
• 14:16 That doesn't work.
• 14:17 You need to know the history so you can relate to the people.
• 14:19 That's one thing.
• 14:20 The next thing is, and I think this is where we are right now.
• 14:25 I think that Jewish outreach has shifted again where--
• 14:30 since October 7.
• 14:32 Probably a little before that, but October 7 was
• 14:33 like, you know, the world knows now.
• 14:35 Where I think we need to equip and mobilize Bible-believing,
• 14:43 Bible-studying followers of Yeshua, the few Christians that
• 14:47 are real Christians, we mobilize them to be ready to be what I
• 14:53 call the new righteous among the nations.
• 14:55 Those who are gonna just open their homes to Jewish people and
• 14:58 say, "You're in trouble; come in."
• 15:01 I don't want my Jewish-- my Christian friends to say, "I'll
• 15:04 pray for the peace of Jerusalem."
• 15:05 That's good.
• 15:06 But it's just like, that's the foundation.
• 15:08 We are at a place where Jewish people need to know they have
• 15:11 Christian friends.
• 15:12 And that means that if those Christian friends have to open
• 15:15 their homes to rescue and shelter the Jewish people, I
• 15:18 think that's what's coming next.
• 15:20 And a great opportunity we're gonna have is going to be to
• 15:23 share the gospel with these people once they stay in
• 15:26 Christian homes because they have nowhere to go.
• 15:28 And I don't think we're too far from that happening against the
• 15:31 Jews globally, and certainly in America.
• 15:34 J.B. Hixson: If the Rapture were to happen today, then maybe in
• 15:37 the next, you know, few months, till America falls apart.
• 15:40 But here's the thing, it could fall apart before the Rapture.
• 15:44 I tell people all the time, "Has it ever occurred to you that if
• 15:48 the Lord tarries his Coming, we might be raptured someday as a
• 15:50 Chinese citizen?"
• 15:52 I mean, we tend to think in terms of American exceptionalism
• 15:55 and-- but America's only been around 200 and, what,
• 15:58 73-some-odd years, 247 years, I should say.
• 16:03 I mean, that's nothing compared to 6000 years of human history.
• 16:06 Caleb: And I don't see them showing up in Bible prophecy.
• 16:08 I don't see them rescuing Israel.
• 16:09 I don't see them, yeah, helping their greatest ally.
• 16:12 So something has to happen.
• 16:13 I agree to diminish America's place on the world stage.
• 16:20 David: We are true Americans.
• 16:21 We love living in America.
• 16:24 The question is, are we a part of the end times?
• 16:27 Joshua: I'm very glad you asked this question.
• 16:29 This question is asked a lot.
• 16:30 What exact verses point to exactly where America is in the
• 16:34 end times?
• 16:35 And I will tell you they are nowhere.
• 16:37 No verses.
• 16:38 Caleb: People get really riled up about this subject matter
• 16:41 because they look at symbolism of different things, like the
• 16:44 young lions of Tarshish, eagles wings.
• 16:46 They say, "America has to be one of them."
• 16:49 I don't believe it is.
• 16:50 You know, if it says in Revelation, "All nations come
• 16:54 together" or "All nations go to war," then maybe America
• 16:58 is included.
• 16:59 But I believe we are-- we're kind of beaten down on the world
• 17:02 stage because of certain things like the Rapture which may
• 17:04 diminish our power play.
• 17:07 Kirsten: That's an interesting point of view.
• 17:09 And we've been obviously in church, literally, our whole
• 17:14 lives and there are so many different viewpoints and that's
• 17:19 why we're looking at the two of you and also Zola Levitt, our
• 17:23 founder, what his viewpoint was, and as a ministry, what we are
• 17:28 standing behind.
• 17:29 And that's important that we're doing this program all
• 17:32 about this.
• 17:34 Caleb: That's right.
• 17:35 So we got to speak to more experts and ask them what
• 17:38 happens to America in Bible prophecy.
• 17:40 Let's hear what they have to say.
• 17:43 William Koenig: You know, we know that the biblical
• 17:45 significance of the land of Israel.
• 17:47 Joshua: Yes, sir.
• 17:49 William: God gave it to, Genesis 15:18, from the Euphrates River
• 17:53 through about four or five modern-day Arab countries into
• 17:56 the Great River in Egypt.
• 17:58 And this is God's covenant land.
• 18:01 And I documented over many years, 25-plus years where we
• 18:05 pressured Israel to divide their land, we have these enormous
• 18:09 record-setting catastrophes that happened the same day within
• 18:11 24 hours.
• 18:13 And I noticed the greater the pressure on Israel to create an
• 18:17 Arab state in Judea and Samaria and possibly divide Jerusalem,
• 18:21 the greater the corresponding catastrophe.
• 18:23 On September 22, Bibi Netanyahu was at the UN and the
• 18:29 Biden-brokered US-Israeli-Saudi deal was about to
• 18:35 be consummated.
• 18:37 There was so much enthusiasm.
• 18:39 Even Bin Salman from-- the Crown Prince Bin Salman of Saudi
• 18:43 Arabia was on US TV, talking about this special moment of a
• 18:47 normalized relations with Israel, and Netanyahu, this is
• 18:51 such a poignant message that we're about ready to move into a
• 18:56 time of great peace, in the-- in Israel with the Palestinians and
• 19:03 in the Middle East.
• 19:04 And that this was a record moment, a record-setting moment.
• 19:08 And friends of mine on the inside in Israel were concerned.
• 19:12 What did Netanyahu promise to the Saudis?
• 19:15 Did it have to do with the Temple Mount, sovereignty, and
• 19:18 issues like that?
• 19:19 But it was so prophetic, I believe because there was a
• 19:23 euphoria in the international community, hearing an Israeli
• 19:28 and Saudi leader talk about this new moment of peace in 2 weeks
• 19:34 and a day after, when you all were in Israel, October 7
• 19:38 changed things dramatically.
• 19:40 So what Netanyahu was talking about at the UN was completely
• 19:44 different 13--15 days later.
• 19:48 And so I think that what that does, Joshua, it leads us into
• 19:51 the prophetic alignment.
• 19:53 I address this often.
• 19:54 Our American presidents have all, despite, I mean, they're
• 19:58 friends of Israel in many contexts, but their peace
• 20:02 efforts have accelerated final day events and that's-- and
• 20:06 that's what we're seeing today.
• 20:07 Right before Ezekiel 38 and 39, Jeremiah 49:34 through 39, that
• 20:12 deals with modern-day Elam, or modern-day Elam, which is Iran.
• 20:16 It's just accelerating prophetic events and I think we're right
• 20:20 there, right now.
• 20:22 Caleb: All the trouble that God goes through, through the
• 20:24 Tribulations, not just to judge the wicked, but he's trying to
• 20:28 prove to his own people that he's God.
• 20:30 He's trying to save the whole house of Israel.
• 20:32 All that work to get our stubborn hearts to turn to him?
• 20:36 Andy: Well, what does he say about the nation of Israel?
• 20:39 He calls them a stiff-necked people and I had a fellow that
• 20:42 led me to Christ and he gave me probably the best piece of
• 20:47 theology I've ever received.
• 20:49 He said, "God knocks us down so that we look up."
• 20:52 And if we're all honest with ourselves, that's how all of us
• 20:56 are saved.
• 20:58 He's-- God has dealt with us individually.
• 20:59 Well, there's a knocking down coming for the Jewish people.
• 21:04 They're gonna think that the Antichrist is their Messiah for
• 21:09 3.5 years until he goes into the temple and betrays them and
• 21:15 replicates what one of their villains, Antiochus Epiphanes,
• 21:20 did in the past.
• 21:21 And that, what Antiochus did is stitched on the hearts of the
• 21:25 Jewish people.
• 21:27 They all know that history.
• 21:28 And when the same thing happens but in a wider scale, that's the
• 21:32 knocking down.
• 21:33 And that's why God in the second half of that Tribulation period
• 21:37 is, you know, that the Spirit is being poured out on them, that
• 21:42 they will look upon whom they have pierced and mourn greatly.
• 21:46 And so that's sort of how I see things working.
• 21:50 Jeff: So that, in essence though, God will use that to
• 21:53 help the Jewish people come to know him because you'll have
• 21:57 144,000 young Jewish male, Billy Grahams essentially, you know,
• 22:01 preaching the gospel everywhere.
• 22:02 You're gonna have the two witnesses that are doing
• 22:04 incredible miracles during that time.
• 22:06 The temple will be rebuilt during that time as well.
• 22:08 So I think that will illustrate what Yeshua has done for the
• 22:12 Jewish people.
• 22:13 The two witnesses will point to that.
• 22:15 So many great things are happening.
• 22:16 Miracles are gonna be going on during this time.
• 22:17 And so it'll be a time, I think, where the Bible says one-third
• 22:21 of the Jewish people will come to faith in him.
• 22:23 And thus, all Israel will be saved, as Paul said in
• 22:25 Romans 11.
• 22:27 Lee: The Tribulation isn't God rubbing his hands because he
• 22:30 gets to go back to the law.
• 22:31 He's rubbing his hands with excitement because he gets to go
• 22:34 back to the people that are under the law and bring them
• 22:36 into the new covenant so they can have salvation through the
• 22:39 new covenant in Jesus Christ's blood because God cannot fulfill
• 22:44 his promises to his people, Israel, that are in the Old
• 22:47 Testament, the land, the temple, the throne, the kingdom, until
• 22:50 they believe in the Messiah.
• 22:53 Caleb: And he wants that remnant, he wants the whole
• 22:55 house of Israel, to be saved.
• 22:56 Lee: Amen.
• 22:58 Caleb: And that's what it takes, unfortunately, takes them going
• 23:00 through that suffering that they're enduring from the beast
• 23:03 and all that till they finally look upon him and the whole
• 23:06 house of Israel's saved.
• 23:07 Lee: Amen.
• 23:09 To me, it's a tear-jerking, body-convulsing experience to
• 23:15 think about the fact that some glorious day, the whole house of
• 23:20 Israel is gonna look upon their Messiah and his crucified hands.
• 23:24 And can you imagine that mixture of feelings they're gonna have:
• 23:27 the shame and the remorse and the excitement and the joy.
• 23:30 Caleb: They'll mourn like for their only son.
• 23:32 Yeah, it's-- but such joy is gonna come after that because
• 23:36 they're gonna see their Messiah ruling and reigning, what
• 23:39 they've been waiting for their whole lives.
• 23:43 Kirsten: This has kind of been a heavy topic program today.
• 23:47 Good and full of so much information.
• 23:50 I've got to say, I think one of my takeaways will be there's no
• 23:55 time like the present, right now, to reach our Jewish
• 24:00 brothers and sisters.
• 24:02 And the two of you have been, oh, so good for so many years,
• 24:07 talking about the lower the percentage.
• 24:11 It's not how many, but it's a percentage of, and it's our time
• 24:16 to make a difference.
• 24:17 Am I right on that, you guys?
• 24:19 Joshua: One hundred percent right.
• 24:20 We cannot change Bible prophecy.
• 24:22 What has been spoken is going to come to pass, but we can change
• 24:25 that starting number.
• 24:26 So we know that two-thirds are gonna perish of the Jewish
• 24:29 people, right?
• 24:30 So if two-thirds is our percentage, instead of that
• 24:33 being millions of people as a starting number, we can get so
• 24:36 many Jewish people saved that that could be two-thirds of
• 24:39 100,000, two-thirds of 10,000.
• 24:42 I mean, I'm gonna aim for the smallest number possible,
• 24:44 because our job, what we have been commissioned to do, our
• 24:48 primary focus, is to go out and to minister to Israel, to tell
• 24:52 them about their Messiah, to lead them to Yeshua, so that
• 24:55 every single one of God's children can be saved, can spend
• 24:59 eternity with him.
• 25:01 Caleb: That's right.
• 25:02 We're called not just to the Jew but to the Jew first, but also
• 25:05 to the Gentile, to everyone.
• 25:07 Yeshua wants everyone to come to know him and his sacrifice
• 25:12 was enough.
• 25:13 His blood was enough to cover the sins of the entire world,
• 25:15 everyone past, present, and future.
• 25:17 But it's a choice each of you have to make.
• 25:20 Are you going to accept his sacrifice and his atonement to
• 25:22 cover your sins?
• 25:24 Are you gonna repent?
• 25:25 Are you gonna ask him into your heart?
• 25:27 You're going to declare him to be the Lord of your life?
• 25:28 Or you're gonna do things your own way, the way of self?
• 25:31 And that's why it's so pertinent: we're living in these
• 25:34 last days.
• 25:35 Now, the end times are coming soon.
• 25:37 We feel that impendingness, you know?
• 25:41 That we have to go out, we gotta go forth, and that's why we're
• 25:44 really focusing on the gospel message lately because time
• 25:48 is short.
• 25:49 Joshua: Because the message of the day-- of today has always
• 25:51 said it's about you.
• 25:52 The message of today says it's your truth, it's your
• 25:55 preferences, it's you, you, you, you.
• 25:57 And that's why we say "No, no, no.
• 25:58 The gospel says that we're to go out to everyone else."
• 26:02 Kirsten: And this ministry, I believe we have an urgency
• 26:08 because if we look at the times and what's happening, I think
• 26:12 we're close.
• 26:14 October 7 in Israel, that triggered, boy, that was-- that
• 26:19 was such an incredibly hard day.
• 26:21 But I hope that in a way maybe the good that can come from that
• 26:25 is that people's hearts, hopefully through the pain, the
• 26:30 horrible pain, will turn back to God.
• 26:34 And what an incredible opportunity for us who believe
• 26:39 that Yeshua is Messiah and that he already came, to be a voice
• 26:44 and a positive voice and show so much love and compassion to the
• 26:48 Jewish people and especially those that are in Israel
• 26:51 right now.
• 26:52 David: We want to bring so much more of this insightful
• 26:54 information to you.
• 26:55 Thank you for giving to this ministry.
• 26:58 If you're not, pray about it.
• 27:00 The Lord will direct you.
• 27:02 And we want to continue bringing this gospel every week.
• 27:05 Guys, I can't believe it's time to go.
• 27:07 It's been so good today.
• 27:09 Thank you for your insight today.
• 27:11 We end with this.
• 27:13 Caleb: That's right.
• 27:14 Don't forget to Shaalu shalom Yerushalayim.
• 27:16 David: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
• 27:19 David: Our resource this week, "The End," written by
• 27:22 Mark Hitchcock.
• 27:23 This 500-page hardcover book is made available to you for your
• 27:27 generous donation to Zola Levitt Ministries.
• 27:30 The accompanying bookmark by Joshua and Caleb provides
• 27:33 important scripture from God's Word concerning the end.
• 27:36 Please remember we depend on your generous gifts which allow
• 27:40 us to bring timely updates regarding Bible prophecy and the
• 27:43 end of days.
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