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Episode: “Behind the Veil” with Ergun Caner, Part 2

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  • 00:10 BRETHREN, MY HEART'S DESIRE AND PRAYER TO GOD FOR ISRAEL IS THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED.
  • 00:15 THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JEW AND THE GENTILE.
  • 00:19 FOR THE SAME LORD OVERALL IS RICH UNTO ALL THAT CALL UPON HIM.
  • 00:28 CONSIDERING THE TIMES AND SEASONS OF OUR WORLD TODAY, HERE'S ZOLA LEVITT.
  • 00:35 CONTINUING FROM LAST WEEK, WE'RE TALKING WITH ERGUN CANER.
  • 00:39 HE'S THE BOTTOM LINE ON ISLAM, HE KNOWS IT ALL.
  • 00:43 HE WAS A MUSLIM BEFORE HE CAME TO CHRIST AS HIS SAVIOR.
  • 00:46 HE WAS A SUNNI MUSLIM.
  • 00:49 HE WAS THE SON OF A MUEZZIN, THE GUY WHO YELLS FROM THE TOWER TO CALL THE PEOPLE TO PRAYER.
  • 00:54 HE'S GOT A DOCTORATE IN MEDIEVAL HISTORY.
  • 00:56 HE'S PROFESSOR OF THEOLOGY AND CHURCH HISTORY AT LIBERTY UNIVERSITY.
  • 01:00 HIS PEDIGREE GOES ON AND ON.
  • 01:03 HE'S WRITTEN EIGHT BOOKS, AMONG THEM "VOICES BEHIND THE VEIL".
  • 01:08 IT SAYS MORE THAN HALF A BILLION LIVE THEIR LIVES, PEERING OUT FROM BEHIND VEILS.
  • 01:14 THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS WORLD.
  • 01:17 HE DEBATES WITH MUSLIMS.
  • 01:19 HE'S BEEN ON THE BIG NETWORKS DOING THAT ON FOX, CNN, BBC.
  • 01:22 WE TALKED LAST WEEK ABOUT ISLAM IN GENERAL, ABOUT THE DIFFICULTIES WOMEN HAVE,
  • 01:29 ABOUT THE HOLY WAR, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH US AND THE TERRORISM
  • 01:36 AND I THINK WE WERE TALKING AS WE WENT OFF LAST WEEK ABOUT YOUR NEW PROJECT YOU'RE WORKING ON;
  • 01:42 A CHRISTIAN COMMENTARY ON THE QURAN.
  • 01:46 IT'S THE FIRST TIME ANYBODY HAS EVER TRIED IT.
  • 01:49 WHAT WE ARE DOING, MY BROTHER AND I, WHO IS ALSO A PROFESSOR AND AN AUTHOR,
  • 01:54 IT'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST TIME THAT FROM A CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE,
  • 01:58 SOMEONE HAS LOOKED AT EVERY VERSE OF THE QURAN.
  • 02:00 THIS IS A MILLION WORD PROJECT AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG OLD ENCYCLOPEDIA STYLE.
  • 02:04 I WAS GOING TO SAY, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT LAST WEEK,
  • 02:06 I WAS BRAGGING TO SOMEBODY, I'VE WRITTEN A STACK OF BOOKS, 40 OR 50 BOOKS,
  • 02:11 BUT THEY DON'T EVEN TOTAL ONE MILLION WORDS.
  • 02:13 OH, I'M SURE THEY DO.
  • 02:15 WELL, THEY'RE SHORT BOOKS AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS ENCYCLOPEDIA.
  • 02:18 114 CHAPTERS, THE QURAN IS 114 SURAHS, 6,000 VERSES
  • 02:23 AND WE WANT TO GIVE, NOT ONLY A CHRISTIAN UNDERSTANDING,
  • 02:26 BUT I WANT, IF A MUSLIM TO QUOTE SOMETHING FROM THE QURAN TO A CHRISTIAN,
  • 02:30 I WANT TO GIVE A RESOURCE FOR THE CHRISTIAN TO BE ABLE TO SAY,
  • 02:33 WAIT A MINUTE, THEY GO TO THAT VERSE, JUST LIKE YOU HAVE A BIBLE COMMENTARY
  • 02:36 AND THEY CAN FIND OUT WHAT THE MUSLIM MEANS, THE BACKGROUND OF THAT VERSE,
  • 02:40 MAYBE SOME OF THE ARABIC ABOUT THAT VERSE IF THEY ARE SO INCLINED,
  • 02:43 BUT ALSO HOW THEY CAN GIVE A REASONED ANSWER TO IT.
  • 02:47 WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR SOMEWHERE AROUND A DECADE,
  • 02:50 BUT IT'S BEEN CONTRACTED NOW AND WE'RE IN THE FINAL STRETCH GETTING THIS DONE.
  • 02:56 THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY USEFUL.
  • 02:59 I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, OUR AUDIENCE IS ALWAYS EXCITED TO HAVE YOU HERE.
  • 03:03 I DON'T HARDLY KNOW WHAT TO ASK YOU FIRST.
  • 03:05 ARE YOU AFRAID, IS YOUR LIFE, I MEAN,
  • 03:09 SALMAN RUSHDIE IS RUNNING FROM THE MUSLIMS STILL, AFTER YEARS AND YEARS.
  • 03:13 HIS ONE COMMENT IN A NOVEL, NOT A CHRISTIAN COMMENTARY.
  • 03:18 HIS SATANIC VERSES WAS BASED ON TWO VERSES, BUT ONE SECTION OF THE QURAN, SURAH 53,
  • 03:25 WHERE MOHAMMED QUESTIONED WHETHER HIS INSPIRATION WAS DEMONIC OR DIVINE.
  • 03:29 I THINK THAT THE CAVEAT FOR ME AND FOR MY BROTHER IS THAT WHEN HE WROTE THAT,
  • 03:34 THEY WERE ABLE TO ISSUE THE FATWAH, THE RULING AGAINST HIM, BECAUSE HE WAS STILL A MUSLIM.
  • 03:40 I'VE BEEN A BELIEVER IN JESUS FOR 20 YEARS NOW.
  • 03:44 I THINK AS FAR AS THE THREATS I FACE, I'M SORT OF LIKE YOU,
  • 03:49 YOU FROM THE JEWISH BACKGROUND, ME FROM THE MUSLIM BACKGROUND.
  • 03:51 THE JEWS DON'T LIKE YOU, THE MUSLIMS DON'T LIKE ME.
  • 03:54 I'VE GOTTEN USED TO THE PROTESTORS.
  • 03:56 WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?
  • 03:57 OF COURSE, CONSIDER THE SOURCE.
  • 03:59 CONSIDER THE SOURCE, EXACTLY. I'M SORT OF THE SOCRATIC GADFLY ON THEIR TAIL-END.
  • 04:04 I'VE GOTTEN USED TO THE PROTESTS.
  • 04:08 THEY FOLLOW ME EVERYWHERE IN PLACES LIKE MISSOURI WHERE I DIDN'T EVEN THINK MUSLIMS LIVED.
  • 04:11 WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT AFTER WHILE I THINK GOD STEELS UP YOUR SPINE.
  • 04:17 OH YES, YOU MENTIONED MISSOURI, I DROVE THROUGH THAT WHOLE STATE,
  • 04:20 I GUESS IT WAS ACTUALLY PITTSBURGH, KANSAS, JUST ACROSS THE BORDER
  • 04:25 THAT WE SPOKE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS DOWN THERE
  • 04:28 AND THERE WAS A MUSLIM PROFESSOR SITTING IN THE FRONT ROW
  • 04:33 AND I WAS TOLD THIS MAN IS A MUSLIM, OLDER, GREY HAIRED, DISTINGUISHED LOOKING PROFESSOR.
  • 04:38 I SPOKE ON ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO THE LAND
  • 04:41 AMEN!
  • 04:42 AND LAID OUT A CLEAR ARGUMENT, UNIVERSITY LEVEL TALK.
  • 04:48 IT WAS A FAIRLY SIZABLE AUDIENCE.
  • 04:51 EVERYTHING WENT ALONG, I MEAN, I HAD A FEW QUIBBLES FROM SOME MUSLIM STUDENTS
  • 04:56 AND SOME QUESTIONS AND I WAS HANDLING IT AND SUDDENLY
  • 04:59 THIS GUY BURSTS OUT AND SAYS, "YOU ARE THE TERRORIST".
  • 05:03 WHY DO THEY ACT LIKE THAT?
  • 05:06 IT'S NOT JUST ISLAMIC CULTURE, THOUGH IT CERTAINLY IS.
  • 05:10 YOU'VE BEEN TO ISRAEL ALMOST 100 TIMES.
  • 05:12 YOU KNOW HOW WE ARE WHEN WE DEBATE AND HOW WE STAND IN THE MARKET PLACE AND ARGUE AND YELL.
  • 05:17 BUT I THINK IT IS ALSO OUR AMERICAN CULTURE AS WELL.
  • 05:19 IT'S WHAT I CALL "THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO SPRINGER",
  • 05:22 WE LOVE THE CONFRONTATION NOW AND WHEN THEY COME FROM THE MOSQUE,
  • 05:27 YOU MEAN, LIKE JERRY SPRINGER.
  • 05:28 YES, JERRY SPRINGER.
  • 05:29 WHEN THEY COME FROM THE MOSQUE OR THE CHURCH,
  • 05:31 THEY HEAR THAT A FORMER MUSLIM IS SPEAKING, NOW THEY'RE GOING TO COME
  • 05:34 AND THEY DON'T COME TO BE EDIFIED, THEY DON'T COME TO LISTEN,
  • 05:37 THEY COME TO DEFEND THE HONOR OF ALLAH.
  • 05:39 IN DEBATE, IF IT'S A UNIVERSITY SETTING AND THEY START SCREAMING AND YELLING,
  • 05:43 I OFTEN USE AN OLD TURKISH PROVERB, I WILL SAY,
  • 05:46 "WHAT YOU LACK IN KNOWLEDGE, YOU MAKE UP FOR IN VOLUME."
  • 05:50 IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, SAY IT LOUDLY.
  • 05:52 WE ARE VERY PASSIONATE PEOPLE.
  • 05:55 YOUR PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE, MY PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE.
  • 05:57 PASSIONATE SOMETIMES, YOU SAW WHEN THE FALL OF SADDAM HUSSEIN TOOK PLACE;
  • 06:01 THEY WERE TAKING THEIR SHOES OFF AND BEATING THE PICTURES WITH THE BOTTOM OF THEIR SHOES
  • 06:05 WHICH IS THE GREATEST OF INSULTS IN OUR CULTURE, THE LOWEST PART OF THE BODY.
  • 06:10 THIS IS THE WAY, THIS IS OUR WAY.
  • 06:13 I OFTEN JOKE WITH MY WIFE THAT SHE IS SOUTHERN,
  • 06:16 MY WIFE IS A SOUTHERN AMERICAN, AND SO, WE YELL, I YELL,
  • 06:20 5 MINUTES LATER I FORGET WHAT I WAS YELLING ABOUT.
  • 06:22 SHE NEVER YELLS.
  • 06:23 IN THE SOUTH, THEY NEVER YELL.
  • 06:25 SHE NEVER FORGETS WHAT YOU'RE NOT YELLING ABOUT.
  • 06:27 THEY CARRY A GRUDGE FOR 30 YEARS UNTIL YOU FIND A BODY IN A WELL SOMEWHERE.
  • 06:32 IT'S NOT FORGOTTEN.
  • 06:34 I THINK THEY YELL BECAUSE YOU GENUINELY HAVE--
  • 06:39 TO SAY THAT ISRAEL IS THE LAND OF GOD
  • 06:42 AND I BELIEVE THAT JERUSALEM IS THE INDIVISIBLE AND ETERNAL CITY OF GOD,
  • 06:46 BUT TO SAY THAT, IS TO ATTACK ISLAM ITSELF.
  • 06:49 REMEMBER, ALL OF ISLAM IS BUILT UPON LAND DOMINATION.
  • 06:53 BUT, ALL THEY DID WAS COME OVER THE BORDERS FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE.
  • 06:56 THEY'RE VIRTUALLY ILLEGAL ALIENS.
  • 06:58 THEY DIDN'T COME OUT OF ANCIENT DAYS IN ISRAEL, THEY CAME THERE.
  • 07:03 ONE OF OUR CELEBRATIONS, ONE OF OUR EIDS, E-I-D IS A CELEBRATION,
  • 07:07 IS IBRAHIM GOING TO THE TOP OF MT. MORIAH, SACRIFICE HIS SON,
  • 07:11 LAST MINUTE ALLAH PROVIDES A RAM IN THE THICKET AND SAVES THE LIFE OF ISHMAEL.
  • 07:18 WHY?I COME TO GENESIS 21-22; I SEE THAT IT'S ISAAC, OF COURSE.
  • 07:23 2200 YEARS AFTER MOSES WROTE IT DOWN, 2700 YEARS AFTER IT HAPPENED, THEY CHANGE THE STORY.
  • 07:29 HOW WAS MOHAMMED ABLE TO DO THIS?
  • 07:31 BECAUSE, IF WE ARE, TO SAY THAT MUSLIMS ARE ALL CHILDREN OF ISHMAEL IS SILLY, OF COURSE,
  • 07:36 GENETICALLY, BIOLOGICALLY AS WELL AS SPIRITUALLY.
  • 07:40 BUT, IF THEY CAN SAY THEY'RE SONS OF THE OLDER CHILD, GENESIS 16,
  • 07:44 THEN THEY DESERVE 2/3 OF THE LAND.
  • 07:47 SO WHAT'S THEIR STORY FOR THE OTHER LANDS?
  • 07:49 WHAT'S THEIR STORY FOR TAKING OVER FRANCE, ENGLAND?
  • 07:52 OF COURSE.
  • 07:53 ESCHATOLOGICALLY, PROPHETICALLY IN ISLAM, EVERYTHING IS BASED ON WORLD DOMINATION.
  • 07:57 MUSLIMS CANNOT HELP, EVERY BOOK THAT YOU READ, YOU REALLY SEE A DICHOTOMY NOW.
  • 08:02 WHAT WE SEE, WHAT YOU DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS,
  • 08:05 A DICHOTOMY BETWEEN A FIGHT BETWEEN AMERICAN ISLAM,
  • 08:08 WHICH HAS TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT AND ORTHODOX ISLAM.
  • 08:12 WHEN A MUSLIM COMES ON TELEVISION AND SAYS, AND I'M TALKING TO THEM,
  • 08:16 THEY WILL SAY "AH, THE BOMBING OF 9-11 WAS A HORRIBLE ACT"
  • 08:19 I WILL SAY, "YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION?
  • 08:23 WHERE IS MOHAMMED ATTAH, NOW?" THE LEAD BOMBER.
  • 08:27 AND THEY WILL SAY, "WHAT DO YOU MEAN?"
  • 08:29 I WILL SAY, "IS HE IN HEAVEN OR HELL?"
  • 08:31 THIS IS THE CUSP OF A PROBLEM FOR THEM.
  • 08:34 IF THEY SAY HE'S IN HELL, MUSLIMS WORLD WIDE,
  • 08:36 WHAT ARE YOU SAYING; WE KNOW HE WAS A JIHADIN.
  • 08:39 TO SAY HE'S IN HEAVEN, OF COURSE DRAWS THE IRE AND WRATH OF AMERICANS.
  • 08:43 AMERICAN ISLAM IS A NEW CREATURE, A NEW CREATION.
  • 08:48 THEY'RE HAVING TO REBUILD, REFORM, REDEFINE EVERYTHING THAT THEY BELIEVE IN
  • 08:53 BECAUSE NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO FIT INTO AMERICAN CULTURE.
  • 08:56 IT'S SUCH AN INTERESTING SUBJECT.
  • 09:00 LET'S TALK ABOUT ISRAEL; BECAUSE WE GO THERE, WE'RE DEDICATED TO IT.
  • 09:07 WHAT'S THE GREATEST THREAT TO ISRAEL FROM ISLAM?
  • 09:10 FROM ISLAM, OBVIOUSLY, HAMAS, THE JUSTIFICATION THAT THE LAND HAS TO BE MUSLIM,
  • 09:16 THIS IS THE PART THAT REALLY ANNOYS ME
  • 09:19 AND I'M SURE YOUR LISTENERS SEE IT AS WELL AND I KNOW YOU DO.
  • 09:21 EVERY TIME SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL, IN THE LAND OF PALESTINE, TO TAKE ISRAEL OUT OF THE LAND,
  • 09:28 WHICH WAS PROPHETIC, 1948 WAS PROPHETIC,
  • 09:33 TO TAKE ISRAEL OUT OF THE LAND, TO REMOVE ISRAEL AS THE PROTECTED CHILDREN OF GOD,
  • 09:39 WE'VE COME TOO FAR TO ALLOW THIS TO TAKE PLACE, POLITICALLY
  • 09:43 AND I'M THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION THAT DEFENDS ISRAEL, NOW AS WE SPEAK.
  • 09:47 I WOULD SUBMIT, HOWEVER, THERE IS A GREATER THREAT THAN EVEN ISLAM TO ISRAEL.
  • 09:51 IT'S THE, WHAT I CALL THE THEOLOGICAL HOLOCAUST AND THAT IS;
  • 09:56 AMERICA HAS ALWAYS DEFENDED ISRAEL BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY HAS DEFENDED ISRAEL.
  • 10:00 TO GET CHRISTIANITY TO STOP DEFENDING ISRAEL, YOU HAVE TO REMOVE ISRAEL FROM THE BIBLE
  • 10:04 OR REMOVE ISRAEL AS THE CHILDREN OF GOD.
  • 10:06 HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
  • 10:08 BY DEFINING AND DISCOVERING AND BUILDING A CHRISTIANITY THAT DOESN'T NEED ISRAEL.
  • 10:14 IT'S WHAT WE CALL REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY.
  • 10:16 I CAME FROM ISLAM WHERE WE WERE TAUGHT THAT YOU JEWS HATED US
  • 10:20 AND WE WERE TO HATE YOU BACK WITH, EXUDING FROM OUR PORES, A HATRED FOR THE JEWS.
  • 10:25 AND I HAD THIS; I WON'T HESITATE TO SAY THAT, THAT WE HATED THE JEW.
  • 10:32 I WAS TAUGHT THAT YOU DRANK OUR BLOOD.
  • 10:34 I WAS TAUGHT THAT YOU STOLE OUR LAND, THAT THE PALESTINIANS,
  • 10:37 THERE IS NO PALESTINE, IT WAS JORDAN BEFORE THAT,
  • 10:39 EGYPT BEFORE THAT, BUT I WAS TAUGHT THIS.
  • 10:42 THEN I GET SAVED, I BECOME A BELIEVER IN JESUS
  • 10:45 AND I'M READING THROUGH THE NEW TESTAMENT AND ROMANS 9-10-11,
  • 10:51 PAUL MAKES A POINT NOT ONCE, HE MAKES A POINT 3 TIMES, HE BUILT THE ENTIRE CENTER OF THE BOOK
  • 10:54 AROUND THE FACT THAT THESE ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD,
  • 10:57 THAT HE CAME TO THE JEW FIRST AND THEY REJECTED HIM,
  • 10:59 BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE REJECTS THEM.
  • 11:02 THEY ARE STILL THE CHILDREN OF GOD.
  • 11:04 GOD HAD TO DO A TRANSFORMING WORK IN MY HEART
  • 11:06 TO GET ME TO LOVE THOSE THAT BROUGHT US THE MESSIAH,
  • 11:10 THE CHILDREN OF GOD WHO ARE THE PRIEST NATION,
  • 11:12 I WOULDN'T BE A CHRISTIAN WERE IT NOT FOR THE JEWS WHO CARRIED ON THE VOICE OF GOD,
  • 11:17 WHO FOLLOWED THE TABERNACLE, THE FIRE BY NIGHT AND THE CLOUD BY DAY, THAT CAME TO THE TEMPLE.
  • 11:23 I AM WHO I AM, EVEN THOUGH I WAS A MUSLIM, BECAUSE OF THE JEW.
  • 11:28 SO, I FIND MYSELF NOW, DEFENDING THE JEW.
  • 11:30 I FIND MYSELF SERVING ON THE THESE BOARDS AND BEING ABLE TO DO THINGS LIKE THIS WITH YOU
  • 11:35 AND WRITE THIS THING ABOUT THE THEOLOGICAL HOLOCAUST, BECAUSE,
  • 11:38 I HONESTLY THINK IT'S LIBERAL CHRISTIANITY THAT'S TEARING A HOLE IN THE GREATEST TAPESTRY,
  • 11:45 JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN RELATIONS.
  • 11:48 WE HAVE IN THIS MINISTRY, WE HAVE A MINISTRY OF GOING AFTER THE PEOPLE
  • 11:53 THAT ARE SLIPPING INTO THESE ERRORS, INCLUDING MOODY BIBLE INSTITUTE, DALLAS SEMINARY,
  • 11:58 SOME OF THE BIGGEST NAMES, TALBOT SEMINARY, MACARTHUR STUDY BIBLE WRITTEN IN 1996,
  • 12:05 PALESTINE, PALESTINE, 100 TIMES, JESUS, A PALESTINIAN DISCIPLES, ETC.
  • 12:09 MINDLESS AND IT'S LIKE SCREAMING AT ANIMALS.
  • 12:15 THEY IGNORE THE LOGIC, THEY START UP A FIGHT.
  • 12:21 I'M GOING TO A BREAK RIGHT NOW; ANYWAY, THIS BREAK IS GOING TO BE A TRIP TO ISRAEL
  • 12:26 WHICH IS REAL APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME.
  • 12:29 OUR BOOK "BATTLES WITH SEMINARIES"
  • 12:32 TELLS THE STORY OF THIS LONG DISCOURAGING FIGHT
  • 12:35 TO JUST TELL PEOPLE THERE'S A BIBLE WRITTEN AND PUBLISHED IN ISRAEL BY JEWS,
  • 12:40 THE COUNTRY IS TOLD ABOUT ON EVERY PAGE, SIMPLY BELIEVE WHAT IT SAYS.
  • 12:44 YOU CAN'T GET THIS ACROSS ANYMORE EVEN TO AN EVANGELICAL SEMINARY.
  • 12:48 YOURS, LIBERTY UNIVERSITY IS QUITE DIFFERENT, I KNOW,
  • 12:52 BUT I'M HAVING REAL TROUBLE WITH THE SO-CALLED FAMOUS SEMINARIES.
  • 12:55 HE'S ERGUN CANER, NEVER MIND MY BATTLE, HE'S GOT PLENTY OF HIS OWN.
  • 12:59 WE'LL BE BACK TO DISCUSS THEM RIGHT AFTER THIS.
  • 13:16 (SPEAKING HEBREW) YOU ARE LOVELY ISRAEL
  • 13:20 (SPEAKING HEBREW) YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN MY LOVE
  • 13:33 (SPEAKING HEBREW) YES, I'VE LOVED YOU ISRAEL
  • 13:37 (SPEAKING HEBREW) AS HE LOVES YOU FROM ABOVE.
  • 13:46 THE LAND OF ISRAEL, ISRAEL MY LOVE IS LIKE NO OTHER LAND IN THE WORLD.
  • 13:50 WE'RE BOUND FOR THE PROMISED LAND, WE'RE GOING BACK TO ISRAEL
  • 13:54 AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE JOINED US ON PAST TOURS SAY
  • 13:57 IT'S AN EXPERIENCE THEY WILL TREASURE FOR THE REST OF THEIR DAYS.
  • 14:02 I THINK EVERY CHRISTIAN NEEDS TO COME HERE AND SENSE THE SAME THINGS ALL HAVE FELT
  • 14:08 GOING BEFORE US BECAUSE I'VE HEARD IT SAID THAT YOUR WHOLE LIFE WILL BE CHANGED
  • 14:12 IF YOU COME TO THE HOLY LAND AND YOU CAN RELATE MORE TO WHERE JESUS WAS IN THE TEMPLE
  • 14:16 AND ALL THE GREAT AND MIGHTY THINGS THAT HE DID
  • 14:18 AND I CAN NOW JOIN THEM IN SAYING EVERYONE NEEDS TO COME TO THE HOLY LAND.
  • 14:23 IT IS ONE THING TO READ THE WORDS AND THEN BE ABLE TO LOOK OUT HERE
  • 14:28 AND SEE WHERE JESUS WALKED ACROSS THIS LAND
  • 14:31 AND IT BRINGS IT ALL TO A SENSE THAT IT REALLY HAPPENED.
  • 14:37 THIS IS MY SECOND TOUR WITH ZOLA, THE FIRST ONE WAS IN JUNE OF 1984
  • 14:42 AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL TOUR, IT WAS SO LOVELY AND I LOVE ISRAEL SO MUCH
  • 14:46 AND I HAD TO COME BACK AND SEE IT AGAIN AND LIVE IT AGAIN.
  • 14:51 COME WITH US TO ISRAEL AND WALK WHERE JESUS WALKED.
  • 14:54 LET US BREAK BREAD TOGETHER IN JERUSALEM.
  • 14:57 I'VE TRAVELED THROUGH ISRAEL DOZENS OF TIMES, BELIEVE ME,
  • 15:02 IT'S THE MOST EXCITING AND SPIRITUALLY SATISFYING JOURNEY YOU CAN UNDERTAKE IN THIS LIFE.
  • 15:09 THERE'S OUR TRIP TO ISRAEL AND THAT'S THE WAY WE SEE IT
  • 15:12 AND WE'RE STILL GOING, OF COURSE, WE'VE NEVER CANCELED A TOUR.
  • 15:14 THERE'S NO REASON TO.
  • 15:17 PEOPLE SAY, "YOU'D TAKE YOUR WIFE TO JERUSALEM"?
  • 15:19 I SAY, "I'M GIVING HER A BREAK FROM DALLAS".
  • 15:21 IT'S SO TRUE, PEOPLE JUST WON'T REALIZE IT BUT
  • 15:26 I READ TODAY AND I'M GOING TO QUOTE THAT IN THE LEVITT LETTER,
  • 15:30 SOMEBODY SAID, IT WAS SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN, SENATOR MCCAIN SAID,
  • 15:34 YOUR CHANCE OF BEING HURT IN A TERRORIST INCIDENT
  • 15:36 IS LIKE BEING CARRIED OFF TO SEA BY A TIDAL WAVE.
  • 15:40 IT WAS THAT NARROW ODDS.
  • 15:43 WE JUST SAW THE TRIAL OF THIS SNIPER IN WASHINGTON WHO SHOT DOWN SO MANY PEOPLE,
  • 15:47 JERUSALEM HAS NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
  • 15:51 WHEN WE TRAVEL, WE SEE THESE VEILED WOMEN,
  • 15:54 LIKE ON THIS BOOK COVER, "VOICES BEHIND THE VEIL",
  • 15:57 AND I CONFESS, I WONDER WHAT THEY'RE THINKING.
  • 15:59 YOU WONDER WHAT WOMEN ARE THINKING ANYWAY, BUT,
  • 16:02 WHEN THEY HAVE A VEIL ON, IT MAKES IT HARD TO TELL.
  • 16:04 YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE IN ISLAMIC CULTURE,
  • 16:08 AN ARGUMENT BETWEEN WHICH IS THE BEST VEILING, THE CHADOR, WHICH JUST COVERS TO THE FACE,
  • 16:13 YOU HAVE THE NIQAB, WHICH COVERS ONE EYE,
  • 16:15 THE BURQA WHICH WE KNOW, THEY SAY BURKA IN ENGLISH,
  • 16:18 BUT IT'S THE COVERING OF THE WHOLE BODY.
  • 16:20 DEPENDING ON THE SECT OF ISLAM, WAHABI, SHIITE, OR SUNNI,
  • 16:23 THEY WILL SAY THAT OURS IS THE BEST COVERING BECAUSE
  • 16:26 IT COVERS THE LEAST OR IT'S THE LEAST FORM-FITTING.
  • 16:29 THE RULE OF THE QURAN WAS THAT IT CANNOT SHOW THE FORM.
  • 16:32 WHAT HAS DEVELOPED IS, THEY CANNOT SHOW THE FORM OUTSIDE,
  • 16:35 WHAT'S DEVELOPED IS ALMOST THIS FASHION SENSE.
  • 16:37 YOU HAVE DIFFERENT COLORS, DIFFERENT COLORED HEADDRESSES, THE GAFIAH FOR THE MEN.
  • 16:41 IT'S INTERESTING, IT'S ALMOST THE SAME ARGUMENTS WE HAVE IN AMERICAN CULTURE,
  • 16:45 BUT WITH AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SLATE OF CLOTHING.
  • 16:48 AND 50% OF THE SOCIETY IS KEPT UNDER WRAPS, SO TO SPEAK.
  • 16:52 YES, AND KEPT WITHOUT A VOTE, KEPT WITHOUT EDUCATION IN MANY CULTURES.
  • 16:56 ISLAM IS REALLY AT THE CUSP OF A REFORMATION.
  • 17:00 EITHER THEY ARE GOING TO ACCEPT AND ADAPT AND ALLOW WOMEN TO BE EDUCATED,
  • 17:04 KARZAI JUST SAID IN AFGHANISTAN, WELL OKAY, I GUESS WOMEN CAN BE EDUCATED.
  • 17:09 IF THEY ALLOW THE WOMEN TO BE EDUCATED, WHICH TO US IS SECOND NATURE,
  • 17:14 IF THEY ALLOW WOMEN TO BE EDUCATED; I THINK IT WILL FORCE ISLAM INTO THE NEW CENTURIES.
  • 17:19 IF HOWEVER, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO OPERATE BY SHARI'A LAW,
  • 17:22 IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO OPERATE BY THE LAWS WHICH
  • 17:24 SAY WHETHER THE HUSBAND HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL HIS WIFE WHETHER SHE CAN BE EDUCATED OR NOT.
  • 17:29 I THINK ISLAM WILL REMAIN IN WHAT THEY TAKE VERY PROUDLY AS, A POSITION OF STAID GROWTH.
  • 17:37 THAT IS, THEY TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN THE FACT THAT AS IT WAS WITH MOHAMMED, IT IS WITH US.
  • 17:44 THIS SHARI'A LAW TROUBLES ME.
  • 17:48 THIS IS THE ANCIENT LAW OF ISLAM.
  • 17:51 IT 'S LIKE AN OLD TESTAMENT WITHOUT A NEW.
  • 17:54 THERE'S NO GRACE HERE AND IT'S AWFULLY HARSH.
  • 17:57 I REMEMBER THE STORY OF WHEN WE CAME OUT OF SOMALIA, WHICH WAS A MUSLIM SOCIETY
  • 18:03 AND WE WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL IN INVADING THERE AND WHEN WE LEFT,
  • 18:07 THEY INSTALLED THIS SHARI'A LAW AND ONE THING THEY DID, I DON'T WANT TO SICKEN ANYBODY,
  • 18:12 BUT THEY TOOK 13 THIEVES INTO A STADIUM AND SLOWLY SAWED OFF THEIR HANDS AND THEIR FEET,
  • 18:20 13 PEOPLE SCREAMING, WITH A CROWD.
  • 18:23 THAT'S BARBARISM, LIKE PREHISTORIC.
  • 18:29 IT'S WHAT MOHAMMED TAUGHT.
  • 18:31 I EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE THAT WHEN YOU SPEAK OF SHARI'A LAW, HERE'S HOW IT OPERATES;
  • 18:35 ANY COUNTRY ON THE PLANET THAT CALL ITSELF AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC,
  • 18:36 YOU KNOW, THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF---
  • 18:41 OPERATES TO WHATEVER DEGREE, ACCORDING TO SHARI'A LAW.
  • 18:45 SHARI'A LAW IS BASED ON THE HADITH.
  • 18:47 HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE.
  • 18:48 THE QURAN SUPPOSEDLY, ALLEGEDLY, ARE THE WORDS OF ALLAH.
  • 18:54 THE HADITH ARE THE WORDS AND SAYINGS AND PROTOCOL OF MOHAMMED HIMSELF.
  • 19:00 THEY WERE THE LAWS THAT MOHAMMED PASSED, THEY WERE THE SAYINGS THAT MOHAMMED CARRIED OUT
  • 19:05 AND SO THE HADITH IS A MULTI-VOLUME BOOK.
  • 19:08 IT'S NINE VOLUMES, AL-BUKHARI HADITH, IT'S VERY BIG
  • 19:11 AND THEY TAKE THESE HADITH, THESE LAWS AND TO WHATEVER DEGREE THEY ENACT THEM
  • 19:16 AND I WILL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.
  • 19:18 IN AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC, IN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM,
  • 19:30 BOY IF YOU SAID THAT HERE, YOU'D SURE HAVE A--
  • 19:32 YOU KNOW, WHAT I FIND INTERESTING IS DURING AFGHANISTAN,
  • 19:35 WHEN WE WERE FREEING UP THE COUNTY AND ALLOWING WOMEN TO BE EDUCATED,
  • 19:38 WHERE WERE THE FEMINISTS SAYING THANK GOD FOR WHAT OUR PRESIDENT,
  • 19:41 WHAT OUR ADMINISTRATION IS DOING?
  • 19:42 YES, WHERE WERE THEY?
  • 19:44 WE WERE ALLOWING, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, FOUR GENERATIONS IN AFGHANISTAN,
  • 19:47 WOMEN ARE GIVEN THE RIGHT TO READ AND WRITE AND TO SPEAK AND TO VOTE,
  • 19:51 BUT THEY WOULD RATHER SHAKE HANDS WITH THE DEVIL
  • 19:53 THAN TO SHAKE HANDS WITH THIS PRESENT ADMINISTRATION.
  • 19:56 BACK TO THE POINT, THE POINT OF THE ARGUMENT, THIS IS JUDICIAL,
  • 20:00 IN 2004 IT TAKES THE TESTIMONY OF 2 WOMEN TO EQUAL THAT OF ONE MAN IN ISLAM.
  • 20:08 IT'S STILL IN THE COURTS.
  • 20:10 WELL, THESE LAWS ARE ARCHAIC, OBVIOUSLY.
  • 20:13 SURELY THINKING PEOPLE, MUSLIMS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH AMERICAN OR BRITISH
  • 20:18 OR FRENCH UNIVERSITIES CAN SEE THIS IS COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE.
  • 20:22 AND THEY HAVE AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THIS.
  • 20:25 THE WOMAN WHO WON THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE MOST RECENTLY WAS AN IRANIAN WOMAN
  • 20:29 WHO SPENDS HER LIFE WORKING WITH WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN IRAN.
  • 20:33 BUT, WHAT'S INTERESTING AND PERHAPS SADLY IRONIC,
  • 20:37 IS THAT THE VERY THING THAT EARNED HER THE PEACE PRIZE NOMINATION
  • 20:40 IS THE VERY THING THAT CAUSED HER TO BE HELD IN SCORN IN IRAN.
  • 20:45 SHE HAD TROUBLE GETTING BACK INTO HER OWN COUNTRY BECAUSE THE VERY THING,
  • 20:48 DEFENDING THE RIGHTS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN
  • 20:50 IS NOT LOOKED UPON THE SAME WAY AS IN THE WORLD COMMUNITY AS IT WAS IN IRAN.
  • 20:55 IN IRAN THEY ARE SAYING, WELL, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
  • 20:57 EVERY TIME A MODERATE VOICE FOR ISLAM RISES UP, EVEN WHAT WE WOULD CALL LESS RADICAL
  • 21:03 BUT NOT QUITE MODERATE, EVERY TIME A MODERATE VOICE RISES UP,
  • 21:06 THEY BECOME IN DANGER OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE.
  • 21:10 LET ME ILLUSTRATE.
  • 21:13 I MADE A MENTION OF ANWAR SADAT.
  • 21:16 I SAID SADAT WAS NOT KILLED BY JEWS OR CHRISTIANS,
  • 21:19 HE WAS KILLED BY OTHER MUSLIMS AND MUSLIMS WERE DEBATING WITH ME AND A WOMAN ROSE UP,
  • 21:23 A PALESTINIAN WOMAN ROSE UP AND SHE SAID,
  • 21:24 "THAT'S BECAUSE SADAT WAS A TRAITOR, HE WAS NOT A MUSLIM."
  • 21:28 AND I SAID, "WHAT DO YOU MEAN, HE SIGNED A PEACE TREATY?"
  • 21:30 SHE SAID, "WE CANNOT HAVE PEACE WITH THE JEW; WE MUST PUSH THEM INTO THE MEDITERRANEAN".
  • 21:34 THE EXACT SAME QUOTE THAT WE HEAR EVERY FEW WEEKS FROM ARAFAT.
  • 21:40 NASSER SAID THAT.
  • 21:42 WE MUST PUSH THE JEW INTO THE MEDITERRANEAN.
  • 21:44 SO, THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF MODERATE ISLAM DOES RISE TO THE FOREFRONT,
  • 21:48 IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO DO SO AGAINST THE PROTESTATIONS OF ORTHODOX ISLAM,
  • 21:54 BECAUSE ORTHODOX ISLAM WILL NOT ABIDE COHABITATION WITH ANY OTHER SYSTEM.
  • 21:59 BUT THIS AVERSION TO THE JEWS GO TO THE CHRISTIANS, TOO.
  • 22:02 SADLY, SADLY.
  • 22:04 I WOULD SAY, DR. LEVITT, THAT THE BIGGEST FRUSTRATION THAT I FACED IN THE LAST 3 YEARS,
  • 22:09 50 DEBATES, 48 DIFFERENT UNIVERSITIES,
  • 22:13 THE BIGGEST HEADACHE I RECEIVED IS NOT FROM THE LIBERAL MEDIA,
  • 22:17 I EXPECT IT FROM THEM AND IT HASN'T BEEN FROM THE MUSLIM, AGAIN I EXPECT IT FROM THEM.
  • 22:21 IT'S FROM THE GUYS THAT CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE,
  • 22:25 THEY SIT QUIETLY UNTIL I COME TO A DEFENSE OF ISRAEL.
  • 22:29 THIS IS WHY I--, THEY STAND UP AND THEY JUST BECOME VISIBLY UPSET AND ENRAGED BY THIS.
  • 22:35 THIS IS WHY I THINK WHAT YOU DO IS SO IMPORTANT.
  • 22:38 THIS IS WHY WHEN I SPEAK SOMEWHERE, I SAY GO TO LEVITT.COM,
  • 22:42 BE INVOLVED IN THESE WORKS BECAUSE IT IS THE ONE UNIFYING VOICE
  • 22:48 FOR MUSLIM AND LIBERAL CHRISTIAN ALIKE.
  • 22:51 THEY ALL WANT TO GET RID OF ISRAEL.
  • 22:53 REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY. >>REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY.
  • 22:56 YOU TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE SO ELOQUENTLY, THE IDEA THAT THE CHURCH HAS REPLACED ISRAEL
  • 23:02 AND IT'S ALMOST IN PRACTICE IN AMERICAN SEMINARIES.
  • 23:05 I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE HAVE HEARD,
  • 23:07 GOD IS WORKING THROUGH CHRISTIANS OF AMERICA THESE DAYS.
  • 23:10 HE'S CHANGED HIS FOCUS.
  • 23:13 ALMOST.
  • 23:15 IT'S ALMOST AS IF WHEN THEY READ THROUGH THE SCRIPTURES; THEY WANT TO COUGH AT CERTAIN POINTS.
  • 23:19 THEY WILL SAY, I AM NOT ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST
  • 23:22 FOR IT IS THE POWER OF GOD UNTO THE SALVATION (TO THE JEW FIRST).
  • 23:25 THEY OMIT THAT.
  • 23:28 THEY DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT THAT THE 39 BOOKS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT,
  • 23:33 THE LAW OF THE PROPHETS AND THE WRITINGS, THE TANAK,
  • 23:36 ARE THE SEED FROM WHICH THE NEW TESTAMENT COMES.
  • 23:40 AND THAT THE NEW TESTAMENT, TOO IS WRITTEN BY JEWS.
  • 23:43 EXACTLY AND THIS WHOLE FIGHT OVER THE PASSION MOVIE RECENTLY
  • 23:46 THAT THE OUTRAGE BY HOLLYWOOD THAT IT WAS TOO VIOLENT.
  • 23:51 I WANT SOMEBODY TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
  • 23:53 HOLLYWOOD BELIEVED THAT A MOVIE WAS TOO VIOLENT.
  • 23:58 THEY ALSO CLAIM THAT IT WAS ANTI-SEMITIC.
  • 24:01 HOW CAN YOU BE ANTI-SEMITIC IF IN FACT THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN IT ARE SEMITES THEMSELVES?
  • 24:08 IN OTHER WORDS, I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT I AM PART OF THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT.
  • 24:13 I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT MY SAVIOR WAS JEWISH.
  • 24:17 NOW DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD THAT IS FOR ME AS A MUSLIM, AS A FORMER MUSLIM.
  • 24:20 DO YOU KNOW HOW WEIRD THAT IS FOR ME, AS A TURK,
  • 24:22 HOW IT GOES AGAINST THE GRAIN OF THE ENTIRE HERITAGE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS
  • 24:26 WHERE WE'VE BEEN ENGRAINED WITH HATRED FOR THE JEW AND NOW I HAVE THE PRIDE,
  • 24:30 I HAVE THE JOY OF SAYING, YESHUA, MESSIAH, JESUS IS MESSIAH.
  • 24:35 I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THESE ANGLO-SAXON, PROTESTANT, WHITE BOYS
  • 24:41 NOW WANT TO REMOVE THAT WHICH IS SO CENTRAL AND SO FUNDAMENTAL TO OUR FAITH.
  • 24:47 I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD DO THIS.
  • 24:50 YOU ARE PRECIOUS, I TELL YOU WHAT. A FASCINATING GUEST.
  • 24:53 WE HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES,
  • 24:55 TELL ME ABOUT BIN LADEN, HE'S OUT THERE SOMEWHERE. WHAT'S GOIING ON?
  • 24:58 HE IS.
  • 25:00 I'VE BEEN ASKED A NUMBER OF TIMES; PROBABLY THE MOST ASKED QUESTION IS,"IS HE ALIVE"?
  • 25:03 AND THE ANSWER IS THEOLOGICALLY, HE HAS TO BE.
  • 25:06 LET ME VERY QUICKLY STATE THAT IN ISLAM IF A MAN IS A MARTYR,
  • 25:10 HE MUST BE DECLARED A MARTYR. HE MUST BE HELD UP IN HONOR.
  • 25:14 AND BECAUSE THIS HAS NOT TAKEN PLACE, IF ONE MUSLIM SAW HIM DIE
  • 25:18 THAT MUSLIM MUST HOLD HIM UP IN HONOR.
  • 25:21 HE MUST TRUMPET THAT HE HAS DIES AS A MARTYR TO ALLOW HIM TO GO TO PARADISE.
  • 25:24 SURE, SURE.
  • 25:25 SO, NO MUSLIM HAS SEEN HIM DIE AND IF A CHRISTIAN OR AN AMERICAN HAD SEEN HIM DIE,
  • 25:30 IF WE DO NOT SPEAK THIS, HE SIGNED THE FATWAH FEB., 23, 1998.
  • 25:35 AS LONG AS HE IS ALIVE, THAT FATWAH IS IN EFFECT AND SO WE MUST FIND HIM.
  • 25:42 I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO US.
  • 25:44 PEOPLE ASK WHY HAS BIN LADEN NOT BEEN TURNED OVER.
  • 25:46 HOW MUCH MONEY, 25 MILLION HAS BEEN OFFERED FOR TURNING--
  • 25:50 BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, FOR A MUSLIM TO TURN OVER BIN LADEN,
  • 25:52 WOULD BE TO DAMN THEMSELVES TO HELL FOR VIOLATION OF HADITH 9:50
  • 26:01 THEY WOULD HOLD HIM UP IN GREAT HONOR FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE,
  • 26:05 BUT IF THEY TURNED HIM OVER, THEY DAMN THEMSELVES TO HELL,
  • 26:09 SO IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU OFFER.
  • 26:11 EVEN AT THAT PRICE.
  • 26:13 HE'S ERGUN CANER. HE'S A DEAR FRIEND.
  • 26:16 EACH TIME HE COMES, I LEARN A LOT.
  • 26:18 I THINK YOU HAVE, TOO.
  • 26:20 HE'S THE SON OF A MUEZZIN.
  • 26:22 LISTEN, JESUS REACHES TO WHOM EVER HE WILL
  • 26:25 AND CALLS JEWS ANDCALLS MUSLIMS AND HERE'S YOUR PROOF.
  • 26:29 HE DOESN'T JUST CALL, AS DR. CANER ELOQUENTLY SAID, WHITE, ANGLO-SAXON, WHITE BOYS.
  • 26:39 I LIKE THAT EXPRESSION.
  • 26:41 I THINK YOU KNOW WHO HE MEANS.
  • 26:43 THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM EITHER AND JESUS CALLS THEM, TOO,
  • 26:47 BUT THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY,
  • 26:50 SOMETHING WRONG WITH ISLAM, SOMETHING WRONG WITH BIN LADEN.
  • 26:54 THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WRONG IN THIS WORLD AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET AT THE TRUTH.
  • 26:59 STAY TUNED, PRAY FOR ERGUN CANER AS HE GOES ON THESE DIFFICULT DEBATES AND
  • 27:06 SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALAYIM, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.
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