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Episode: “Academic Terrorism” with Joan Peters, Part 1
Series: “Age of Terror Continued”

Caption transcript for Age of Terror Continued: “Academic Terrorism” with Joan Peters, Part 1 (1/12)

  • 00:28 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
  • 00:29 MY GUEST TONIGHT IS ONE THE VERY SPECIAL PEOPLE WE GET FROM TIME >>TO TIME,
  • 00:33 JOAN PETERS IS THE AUTHOR IS A CLASSIC, "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL"
  • 00:38 AND THIS LADY IS, YOU KNOW WHEN >>HEAR A NEWS COMMENTATOR SAY "I WENT RIGHT TO THE SOURCE"
  • 00:45 OR YOU'RE READING A BOOK BY AN >>OPINION MAKER WHO SAYS, "I CONSULTED THE SOURCE".
  • 00:51 JOAN PETERS IS THE SOURCE.
  • 00:53 YOU ARE THE BEGINNING OF THIS DISCUSSION, I THINK.
  • 00:57 YOU HAVE A NEW DISTINCTION; THIS BOOK WAS WRITTEN 20 YEARS AGO.
  • 01:01 I WROTE SOME BOOK 20 YEARS AGO >>AND THEY'RE OUT OF PRINT.
  • 01:04 UNLESS I PRINT THEM MYSELF, PUBLISHERS DON'T CALL AND SAY
  • 01:08 "I WANT TO PRINT YOUR OLD BOOK AGAIN."
  • 01:10 BUT, THEY DO WITH THIS.
  • 01:12 THIS YEAR YOU'RE PRINTING 15,000 MORE BOOKS.
  • 01:16 WELL, IT GOES THAT WAY EVERY YEAR.
  • 01:17 IT HAS BEEN USED CONSISTENTLY >>FOR TEXTS, TEXTBOOKS IN SCHOOLS.
  • 01:22 AMAZON HAS IT, IT'S AN AMAZINGLY >>LOW NUMBER ON AMAZON
  • 01:27 CONSIDERING HOW SOME OF THE NEW >>BOOKS ARE OUT AND THEY HAVE A HIGHER NUMBER
  • 01:33 MEANING THAT WHEN THEY HAVE A >>LOWER NUMBER, I GUESS IT MEANS >>THEY ARE MORE POPULAR.
  • 01:40 SURE.
  • 01:40 IT MEANS THEY'RE 1000TH ON THE >>LIST INSTEAD OF 10,000.
  • 01:44 I'M IN THE 100,000'S WITH MY BOOKS.
  • 01:46 BUT, IT DOES STILL GET AROUND.
  • 01:49 I HAVE A LOT OF VERY WONDERFUL >>FEEDBACK FROM IT.
  • 01:52 I JUST WISHED THAT EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT'S IN THE BOOK.
  • 01:56 TELL ME THE STORY.
  • 01:57 WHEN YOU WROTE IT, YOU WENT OVER, TO START WITH,
  • 02:00 YOU WENT TO ISRAEL TO HELP THE >>PALESTINIANS, DIDN'T YOU.
  • 02:02 WELL THEY DIDN'T CALL THEM PALESTINIANS THEN.
  • 02:04 THEY CALLED THEMSELVES >>THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
  • 02:07 YES, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT >>BECAUSE THE RHETORIC IS EVERYTHING IN TODAY'S SOCIETY
  • 02:13 BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET, NOW IT'S EVEN MORE SO,
  • 02:15 BUT TO USE THE NOMENCLATURE "PALESTINIAN" FOR ONE GROUP
  • 02:22 WHEN THERE ARE 2 GROUPS TRYING TO VIE FOR THE SAME TERRITORY.
  • 02:25 ONE IMMEDIATELY ASCERTAINS THAT >>THE PERSON BEING CALLED "PALESTINIAN"
  • 02:33 IS THE PERSON WHO BELONGS IN PALESTINE.
  • 02:36 THEREFORE, THE JEWS ARE THE INTERLOPERS.
  • 02:38 IN FACT, IT'S EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
  • 02:39 THE JEWS WERE CALLED THE PALESTINIAN BRIGADE
  • 02:42 AND THE ARABS DIDN'T WANT TO BE >>CALLED PALESTINIANS, EVER.
  • 02:45 THEY WANTED TO BE CALLED SOUTHERN SYRIANS OR OTTOMANS OR ARABS,
  • 02:50 BUT NEVER PALESTINIANS.
  • 02:52 THEY REJECTED IT.
  • 02:53 IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE OF PUBLIC RELATIONS
  • 02:55 AND BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD IF >>THEY WERE CALLED PALESTINIANS
  • 02:57 THEY MIGHT HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF STEALING THE LAND THAT THEY >>TOOK IT ON.
  • 03:02 BUT, WHEN I WENT TO LEBANON IN >>1973, 1974 IT WAS WITH THE IDEA IN MIND
  • 03:12 THAT THE ARABS WHO WERE IN CAMPS >>WERE REFUGEES AND AS I UNDERSTOOD IT
  • 03:18 HAVING BEEN A VERY ACTIVE CIVIL >>RIGHTS-NIK IN THE 60S,
  • 03:24 YOU WENT DOWN TO THE SOUTH, >>I DID.
  • 03:25 I WAS IN MISSISSIPPI AND THIS >>WAS REALLY KIND OF AN OFF-SHOOT >>OF THAT.
  • 03:30 GENERAL TROUBLE MAKER.
  • 03:31 I WAS A -WAS I EVER.
  • 03:33 OK.
  • 03:34 LIKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF US.
  • 03:35 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE CHANGED.
  • 03:36 WE WERE LIBERAL. I STILL AM.
  • 03:39 BUT, AS A GOOD CARD-CARRYING LIBERAL, I NEEDED TO GO TO LEBANON AS A WRITER
  • 03:46 AND A REPORTER AND I EXPECTED TO FIND THAT WHO WAS GUILTY WAS THE >>UNITED STATES
  • 03:54 AND THE ISRAELIS FOR KEEPING THESE GUYS AND GALS IN CAMPS IN LEBANON.
  • 04:00 I FOUND INSTEAD, LITTLE >>6 YEAR OLDS HOLDING KALASHNIKOVS >>AND SOVIET MATERIALS
  • 04:07 AND THE ARAB LEAGUE KEEPING THEM THERE
  • 04:10 WHILE THERE WERE SO MANY >>COUNTRIES TRYING TO GET THEM OUT
  • 04:13 AND RESETTLE THEM IN PLACES THAT >>WOULD GIVE THEM WELL BEING.
  • 04:16 THEY DIDN'T WANT THE ARABS IN THE CAMPS TO BE GIVEN WELL BEING.
  • 04:21 THEY DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE RESETTLED.
  • 04:22 WHAT THEY WANTED WAS TO, AS THEY >>PUT IT, TO KEEP THEIR HATRED DIRECTED AGAINST ISRAEL.
  • 04:31 SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
  • 04:32 BUT, WHAT I FOUND, WHEN I FOUND THAT OUT, I ALSO FOUND OUT THAT THERE HAD BEEN JEWISH REFUGEES.
  • 04:39 JEWISH REFUGEES WHICH NUMBERED >>MORE THAN THE ARAB REFUGEES IN 1948
  • 04:46 WHO CAME FROM ARAB COUNTRIES, >>WHOSE LAND WAS STOLEN FROM THE >>ARAB COUNTRIES
  • 04:51 BECAUSE THEY WERE FLEEING FOR THEIR LIVES FROM THESE ARAB COUNTRIES.
  • 04:56 AND SO WHEN THEY GOT TO WHAT BECAME THE NATION ISRAEL, THEY REPORTED TO CAMPS,
  • 05:03 BUT SINCE, OF COURSE, THE CAMPS >>BECAME HOMES
  • 05:06 AND THE CAMPS WERE ERADICATED BY >>THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL,
  • 05:10 WHICH WANTED TO GIVE THEM >>PERMANENT HOUSING, AND WHAT THEY >>CALLED REHABILITATION,
  • 05:15 THEY BECAME ISRAELI CITIZENS, BONAFIDE.
  • 05:18 THE ARABS WERE INTENTIONALLY CREATED AS A "HUMAN BOMB"
  • 05:25 AND AT THE TIME I WROTE MY BOOK >>IN 1984 IT WAS PUBLISHED,
  • 05:30 I CALLED THEM "HUMAN BOMBS" VIRTUALLY.
  • 05:32 I FELT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO >>BE A BOMB SHELL AS A VIRTUAL POLITICAL PROBLEM,
  • 05:40 BUT IT NEVER DAWNED ON ME THAT >>THEY WERE GOING TO LITERALLY BLOW THEMSELVES UP IN BODY.
  • 05:47 OH, YES, YOUR TERM HUMAN BOMBS >>WAS UNFORTUNATELYLY VERY ACCURATE.
  • 05:51 IT WAS A BIG AWAKENING FOR ME >>AND THEN I WAS ASKED TO WRITE A >>BOOK ABOUT IT
  • 05:57 BECAUSE I DID A LOT OF WORK FOR CBS AND I DID A LOT OF ARTICLES FOR MAGAZINES
  • 06:02 AND DOUBLEDAY ASKED ME TO WRITE >>A BOOK SO I SAID, "OF COURSE I WOULD."
  • 06:08 THEN I WENT ABOUT WRITING AN OUTLINE AND I GAVE IT TO THEM
  • 06:12 AND THEN I WENT ABOUT RESEARCHING ACCORDING TO THE OUTLINE
  • 06:16 AND I FOUND THAT EVERYTHING I THOUGHT I KNEW FELL APART AND THE WHOLE FABRIC JUST--
  • 06:22 A LOT OF TRUTH COMES AT YOU WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GO OVER TO ISRAEL >>AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.
  • 06:28 PEOPLE ARE SHOCKED ON MY TOURS.
  • 06:30 THEY'VE LISTENED TO CNN AND >>NEW YORK TIMES THEIR WHOLE LIVES
  • 06:34 OR THEIR NEWSPAPER AT HOME REPRINTING THIS KIND OF TRIPE
  • 06:37 AND THEN THEY GET OVER THERE AND THEY SEE A CLEAN, MODERN COUNTRY >>RUNNING LIKE A WATCH
  • 06:42 AND THE PALESTINIAN DEPRESSING >>AREAS AND THE THUGS
  • 06:47 AND THE PICKPOCKETS AND NEVER MIND THE SUICIDE BOMBERS.
  • 06:52 IT'S SUCH A SHOCK FOR THEM.
  • 06:53 THEY'VE BEEN SCHOOLED ONE WAY >>AND SUDDENLY THEY SEE THE TRUTH >>LIKE YOU.
  • 06:58 WELL, BUT NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE LOOK >>AT THE TRUTH.
  • 07:02 IT MAY BE THERE BUT THEY DON'T >>WANT TO SEE IT.
  • 07:05 I FIND NO OTHER EXPLANATION FOR THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY >>MISGUIDED SOULS OUT THERE
  • 07:12 REPORTING PURE PABLUM, BUT IT'S NOT PABLUM, OF COURSE, IT'S MUCH >>MORE SERIOUS THAN THAT.
  • 07:20 IT'S MUCH MORE INFLAMMATORY.
  • 07:22 DOES IT START ON OUR CAMPUSES AT >>OUR UNIVERSITIES?
  • 07:26 BECAUSE I'VE HAD A FEW EXPERIENCES.
  • 07:27 MY VIEWPOINT OF PRO-ISRAEL IS UNWELCOME ALMOST ANYWHERE AT A CAMPUS.
  • 07:34 WELL, IT'S MUCH WORSE NOW THAN >>IT WAS,
  • 07:35 I WAS WELCOME WHEN I FIRST STARTED WORKING ON THE MIDDLE EAST AND SPEAKING.
  • 07:41 I WAS WELCOME AND THE STUDENTS >>WERE VERY FRIENDLY AND THE ACADEMICS WERE VERY FRIENDLY
  • 07:48 AND WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW IS VERY >>TROUBLING TO ME,
  • 07:54 MORE THAN ANY SINGLE THAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD.
  • 07:56 THERE IS A, THEY REFER TO IT >>VERY BENIGNLY AND VERY WRONGLY >>AS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, PC.
  • 08:04 BUT IT ISN'T.
  • 08:05 PC IS THIS OVERALL TERM THAT'S >>BEEN USED TO PAINT THIS UGLY BLACK SCENE
  • 08:13 INTO WHITE AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY >>FACING IS ACADEMIC TERRORISM.
  • 08:18 I SPEAK WITHOUT ANY EXAGGERATION.
  • 08:22 I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT ANY NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE >>ON CAMPUSES
  • 08:28 THAT HAVE BEEN DESTRUCTIVE OF HUMAN LIVES.
  • 08:31 PROFESSORS, STUDENTS, ANYBODY >>WHO BEGAN TO SPEAK IN POSITIVE >>TERMS ABOUT ISRAEL
  • 08:39 AS YOU AND I DO WAS IMMEDIATELY >>CASTIGATED OR IN ONE CASE RECENTLY,
  • 08:45 THIS IS NOT, I DON'T KNOW >>WHETHER IT'S HAPPENED UNTIL NOW,
  • 08:47 BUT THERE WAS AN ADJUNCT PROFESSOR OF, I THINK IT'S CALLED "CLASSICAL STUDIES".
  • 08:57 I'M NOT SURE OF THE TITLE OF HIS >>SUBJECT, BUT HE'S TAUGHT AT DEPAUL UNIVERSITY IN CHICAGO
  • 09:05 FOR 14 YEARS AND WITH A BLEMISH-FREE RECORD.
  • 09:10 HE'S A VERY SOBER AND UNPOLITICAL PERSON.
  • 09:14 HE WAS IN A STUDENT FAIR WITH A GROUP OF STUDENT BOOTHS AND HE >>APPROACHED ONE BOOTH
  • 09:25 AND THEN SAW THERE WERE 2 BOOTHS TOGETHER
  • 09:28 AND THEY WERE DISPLAYING ISRAEL >>IN A COMPLETELY FALLACIOUS PREMISE
  • 09:36 AND HE SAID THEY WERE SHOWING TRACTORS KILLING, PURPOSELY, INNOCENT CIVILIANS
  • 09:43 AND SAYING THAT THEY HAD STOLEN >>THE LAND FROM THE ARABS AND OTHER CLICHED COMPLETE LIES.
  • 09:55 SO HE, NOT KNOWING ANY BETTER >>WENT UP TO THE BOOTH AND SAID,
  • 10:00 "YOU KNOW, ISRAEL DOES DESERVE TO EXIST"
  • 10:04 AND THEY IMMEDIATELY STARTED TO >>SHOUT AT HIM
  • 10:08 AND THEY GOT INTO A HEATED >>CONVERSATION FOR, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS 10 OR 15 MINUTES,
  • 10:14 BUT IT WAS A CONVERSATION IN WHICH HE DEFENDED ISRAEL.
  • 10:20 HE'S BY THE WAY, A CATHOLIC,
  • 10:23 A ROMAN CATHOLIC TEACHING AT DEPAUL AND THESE STUDENTS,
  • 10:29 WHICH IS A CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY.
  • 10:29 WHICH IS A CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY >>AND THESE STUDENTS WERE ARAB
  • 10:36 OR OF THE ARAB POSITION IN THEIR POLITICS
  • 10:39 AND THEY GOT TO THE POINT WHERE >>THEY SHOUTED HIM AWAY.
  • 10:43 HE DIDN'T WANT TO STAY THERE ANY LONGER
  • 10:44 BECAUSE HE REALIZED VERY BELATEDLY THAT HE SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
  • 10:48 I'VE BEEN IN THESE ARGUMENTS.
  • 10:49 THEY JUST SCREAM AND SHOUT, THEY'RE LOUDISH AND IGNORANT AND HOSTILE
  • 10:53 AND THERE'S NO POINT IN STANDING >>AROUND TALKING TO THEM.
  • 10:55 WELL, HE THOUGHT THAT HE COULD >>DO SOMETHING BECAUSE HE WAS A VERY NAIVE GUY.
  • 11:01 HE'S INTO CLASSICS.
  • 11:02 HE TEACHES 14 LANGUAGES. HE ISN'T A MAN OF POLITICS.
  • 11:05 WELL, HE DECIDED TO LEAVE AND HE TURNED AROUND, I DON'T KNOW THE >>EXACT DETAILS OF THE STORY,
  • 11:11 BUT, I KNOW THAT IN 15 MINUTES >>THOSE STUDENTS
  • 11:15 MANAGED TO WRITE LETTERS TO THE >>ADMINISTRATION OF DEPAUL
  • 11:19 AND DEPAUL FIRED HIM WITHOUT A >>HEARING, A GENUINE BONAFIDE INSTRUCTOR,
  • 11:26 ADJUNCT PROFESSOR FOR 14 YEARS >>AND BECAUSE OF A 15 MINUTE HEATED DISCUSSION WAS FIRED.
  • 11:35 I TRIED TO SPEAK AT DANVILLE COMMUNITY COLLEGE,
  • 11:39 IT'S JUST A SMALL COLLEGE IN ILLINOIS NEAR CHAMPAGNE
  • 11:42 SOME PEOPLE CAME OVER THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS TO HEAR IT.
  • 11:44 I'M GLAD THEY DID BECAUSE VIRTUALLY NO STUDENTS FROM DANVILLE CAME
  • 11:49 BECAUSE ALL OF MY PUBLICITY WAS >>LOCKED IN A DESK.
  • 11:53 OH REALLY.
  • 11:54 POSTERS, VIDEO TAPE, ETC. THAT >>WE SEND BEFORE AN ENGAGEMENT.
  • 11:57 I DIDN'T CHARGE THEM,NOT EVEN FOR TRAVEL.
  • 11:58 I WAS GLAD TO HAVE A PLACE TO WELCOME ME TO SPEAK ON THE ISRAELI POINT OF VIEW
  • 12:03 AND THEY SUPPRESSED TO SO SUCCESSFULLY
  • 12:05 THAT THERE ALMOST NO ONE FROM >>THEIR COLLEGE AT THE AUDITORIUM.
  • 12:10 WHAT DID YOU DO?
  • 12:11 I WROTE TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE COLLEGE.
  • 12:13 WE HAD A CORRESPONDENCE.
  • 12:14 I ACCUSED HIM OF THIS AND THEY >>JUST ACTED LIKE THOSE ARABS,
  • 12:17 IT JUST WELL, YOU SAY IT DIDN'T >>HAPPEN OR WHATEVER.
  • 12:21 THEY DENIED IT ALL, BUT I >>EXPLAINED HOW IT TOOK AWHILE TO >>DRIVE MY TRAILER THERE
  • 12:27 AND GET IT PARKED AND GET TO THE >>COLLEGE AND BE THERE ON TIME
  • 12:30 AND BE SHAVED AND DRESSED AND LOOK AT AN AUDIENCE OF LOCAL CHURCH PEOPLE
  • 12:34 AND SOME DISTANT UNIVERSITY THAT >>WERE SORT OF MY FANS.
  • 12:37 I CAME TO TALK TO THE OPPOSITION, NOT PREACH TO THE CHOIR.
  • 12:42 YES.
  • 12:43 JOAN, WE HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK.
  • 12:44 IT'S SO INTERESTING TO TALK TO >>YOU, IT REALLY IS.
  • 12:47 VISE VERSA.
  • 12:48 LISTEN, SHE'S THE HORSE'S MOUTH. >>I DON'T MEAN IT THAT WAY.
  • 12:51 SHE REALLY KNOWS HER STUFF ON THE MIDDLE EAST.
  • 12:55 SHE'S SOURCE MATERIAL.
  • 12:56 HER BOOK "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL" >>IS VIRTUALLY A TEXTBOOK ON THE SUBJECT.
  • 13:00 YOU GET IT AT AMAZON, I DON'T MIND PLUGGING THIS BOOK.
  • 13:03 "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL", WHICH IS AN ARAB EXPRESSION,
  • 13:07 THE PALESTINIANS SAY THEY'VE BEEN IN ISRAEL FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL,
  • 13:11 WHEN ACTUALLY THEY INVENTED >>THE NAME "PALESTINIAN" FOR ARABS >>IN 1964.
  • 13:17 BACK WITH JOAN PETERS RIGHT AFTER THIS.
  • 13:22 ASK FOR OUR FREE MONTHLY NEWSLETTER, THE LEVITT LETTER
  • 13:25 AND OUR CATALOG WITH VIDEOS, BOOKS AND MUSIC.
  • 13:28 OUR CORRESPONDENCE COURSE, THE >>INSTITUTE OFJEWISH-CHRISTIAN STUDIES INCLUDES
  • 13:34 READING PACKETS, TEACHING CASSETTES AND MAIL IN TESTS.
  • 13:38 DID YOU KNOW THAT ZOLA TAKES TOURS TO ISRAEL, GREECE
  • 13:41 AND THE HOLY LAND EXPERIENCE >>THEME PARK IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA?
  • 13:45 PLEASE CONTACT US FOR MORE INFORMATION.
  • 13:51 ♪ FOLLOW ME TO GALILEE.
  • 13:53 AND JESUS SAID UNTO THEM, DO NOT BE AFRAID, GO TELL MY BRETHREN >>TO GO INTO GALILEE,
  • 14:01 THERE THEY WILL SEE.
  • 14:02 IT STRENGTHENS OUR FAITH TO KNOW THAT JESUS WALKED ON THE WATER AND THAT WE CAN CALL OUT TO HIM.
  • 14:09 IT MAKES THE WHOLE SCRIPTURES COME TO LIFE.
  • 14:22 NOW, WE'RE BACK WITH JOAN PETERS.
  • 14:24 DURING THAT TOUR SPOT YOU SAW ISRAEL THE WAY WE SEE IT AND IT'S NOT SPECIAL.
  • 14:29 YOU COULD DRIVE ANYWHERE IN ISRAEL AND GET THESE BEAUTIFUL PICTURES.
  • 14:33 CNN WILL NOT SHOW THEM TO YOU, >>BUT WE ALWAYS WILL.
  • 14:36 WE HAVE A WHOLE SERIES CALLED "THIS IS ISRAEL"
  • 14:38 IN WHICH YOU GET NOTHING BUT GORGEOUS PICTURES OF THAT GORGEOUS LAND
  • 14:43 AND IT REALLY IS GORGEOUS.
  • 14:44 THERE ARE ANCIENT SYNAGOGUES >>THROUGHOUT THE LAND THAT WE FILM
  • 14:51 AND WE'VE SHOWN THEM IN OUR PROGRAMS.
  • 14:52 I MEAN REALLY ANCIENT, THE GOLAN >>HEIGHTS IS IN CONTENTION.
  • 14:55 THESE OLD JEWISH SYNAGOGUES FROM >>LONG BEFORE JESUS CAME, THE JEWS WERE THERE.
  • 15:01 THERE ARE SYNAGOGUES IN GAZA.
  • 15:02 THERE ARE SYNAGOGUES IN SENSITIVE PLACES AND AT THE DIASPORA MUSEUM IN TEL AVIV,
  • 15:09 IT'S KIND OF A HISTORY OF THESE >>GRAND OLD EUROPEAN SYNAGOGUES BUILT BY HAND,
  • 15:15 WOOD PLANKS, I MEAN TALK ABOUT 3 STORY HIGH BUILDINGS THAT HELD A >>THOUSAND PEOPLE AND SO ON
  • 15:21 AND UNFORTUNATELY BURNED AND >>RAZED AND AS DID THE ARABS, THE JORDANIANS DURING 1948 TO 1967,
  • 15:33 BLEW UP 58 SYNAGOGUES IN THE OLD CITY.
  • 15:37 THEY'RE DOING IT IN EUROPE NOW.
  • 15:37 THEY'RE DOING IT IN EUROPE, THEY DESECRATE EVEN THE GRAVEYARDS.
  • 15:40 JUST IMAGINE TO PICK ON THE DEAD.
  • 15:42 OF COURSE YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY >>FIGHTING BACK.
  • 15:45 THAT'S FUNNY LIKE A CRUTCH.
  • 15:48 GAZA IS THE ISSUE THESE DAYS.
  • 15:51 THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, MAALE ADUMMIM, A SETTLEMENT EAST OF JERUSALEM,
  • 15:56 THEY WANT TO CONNECT UP TO JERUSALEM.
  • 15:58 IT'S VERY REASONABLE AND LOGICAL >>BUT THERE'S OF COURSE,
  • 16:02 THE PALESTINIAN MAKE A GRAND >>TO-DO ABOUT EVERYTHING GOING ON,
  • 16:04 BUT IN GAZA IT'S KIND OF A SPECIAL CASE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE PRIME MINISTER SHARON,
  • 16:09 AND WITH THE BLESSINGS OF THE KNESSET, WANTS TO MOVE THE SETTLERS OUT
  • 16:14 THAT THE GOVERNMENT PREVIOUSLY >>MOVED IN.
  • 16:17 WHAT'S YOUR VIEW ON THAT SITUATION?
  • 16:20 I WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK
  • 16:21 BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO TALK >>ABOUT IDENTITY THEFT.
  • 16:26 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PIECEMEAL THINGS.
  • 16:28 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAALE ADUMMIM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GAZA,
  • 16:31 AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE >>OF PLACE ON SAMARIA AND JUDEA AND JERUSALEM.
  • 16:36 WE'RE NOT REALLY HITTING THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE AND THAT IS
  • 16:43 THAT THE ARABS ARE STEALING THE >>IDENTITY OF THE JEWS.
  • 16:49 IT IS HAPPENING EVERY SINGLE DAY.
  • 16:51 IT IS A LIE BEING TOLD OFTEN ENOUGH, AS GERBEL SAID,
  • 16:55 THE NAZI GERBEL SAID, IN THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS,
  • 16:59 HE SAID, "IF YOU REPEAT A LIE OFTEN ENOUGH, IT BECOMES BELIEVABLE."
  • 17:02 WE ARE OPERATING, ALL OF US, WITHIN THE CAPSULATED VIEW OF THE ENEMY.
  • 17:10 YOU EVEN POINTED OUT IN THIS "CAMERAS ON CAMPUS" MAGAZINE WHICH I TAKE MYSELF,
  • 17:17 ALAN GERSHOWITZ EVEN REFERRED, >>HE'S SAYS I'M OPPOSED TO THE OCCUPATION.
  • 17:24 ALAN GERSHOWITZ, A JEWISH COMMENTATOR IS OPPOSED TO ISRAEL OCCUPYING.
  • 17:29 WHAT IS ISRAEL OCCUPYING?
  • 17:30 AND HE'S FOR A 2 STATE SOLUTION >>NOW, WHEN NOBODY IS GIVING ANYTHING UP EXCEPT JEWS.
  • 17:37 WHY IS THIS SO TURNED AROUND?
  • 17:38 YOU KNOW WHY IT IS, IT'S BECAUSE YEAR AFTER YEAR, DECADE AFTER DECADE,
  • 17:45 THEY HAVE BEEN POUNDING AWAY THAT THE JEW IS THE OPPRESSOR
  • 17:49 AND I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE THE WORST OF THE JEWS
  • 17:53 BECAUSE IT JUSTIFIES THE FACT >>THAT THEY LET THEM ALL BURN IN >>HELL IN THE 40S.
  • 18:00 I DON'T KNOW WHY ELSE.
  • 18:02 WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS BEFORE, >>BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY--
  • 18:05 ANTI-SEMITISM STARTED WITH PHARAOH IN THE BIBLE.
  • 18:08 I'LL GIVE YOU ONE THEORY, A SPIRITUAL IDEA, BUT, >>THE JEWS ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE.
  • 18:15 IT SAYS IT PLAINLY HERE.
  • 18:16 THERE'S NO GETTING AWAY FROM IT.
  • 18:17 OTHER PEOPLE RESENT THAT.
  • 18:20 I HAD A JEW WHO WAS A RECONSTRUCTIONIST TELL ME,
  • 18:25 RECONSTRUCTIONISTS ARE VERY >>LIBERAL SYNAGOGUE AND HE SAID,
  • 18:31 WELL, OUR RABBI SAYS,
  • 18:31 "IT IRRITATES PEOPLE THAT WE'RE SAYING WE'RE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE, SO WE'LL JUST STOP SAYING IT."
  • 18:36 I TOLD HIM, THAT WASN'T MADE UP IN A P.R. OFFICE.
  • 18:40 THAT WAS THE "BIG GUY".
  • 18:41 I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN >>IRRITATED, THE CAIN PEOPLE HAVE >>KILLED THE ABELS
  • 18:46 SINCE THE GARDEN AND THEY'RE STILL DOING IT.
  • 18:48 I THINK IT'S JUST AN INFECTION THAT GETS IN PEOPLE THAT AREN'T >>THE CHOSEN.
  • 18:53 BUT, HOW COME IT HAPPENS THAT THE JEWS DO IT TO THEMSELVES?
  • 18:59 WHY ARE THERE SO MANY WHO ARE,
  • 19:00 THERE'S A BOOK THAT HAS JUST >>BEEN WRITTEN BY SOMEBODY WHO'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROBLEM
  • 19:08 AND I THINK HE'S A PSYCHIATRIST >>WHO KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT,
  • 19:10 HE'S JUST CAME OUT WITH A BOOK TALKING ABOUT WHY JEWS ARE THEIR >>OWN WORST ENEMY.
  • 19:16 WELL, THEY'RE NOT THEIR WORST >>ENEMY, BUT WHY DO THEY GO ALONG >>WITH THEIR ENEMIES.
  • 19:20 WHY HAVE THEY, THROUGH HISTORY, >>BEEN ABLE TO FOLLOW THEIR ENEMIES?
  • 19:26 I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS BUT HE SEEMS TO, HIS NAME IS KENNETH LEVIN,
  • 19:30 HE'S A PSYCHIATRIST AND THE BOOK HAS THE TITLE HAS THE WORD "OSLO" IN IT.
  • 19:37 I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT, >>I'M SORRY.
  • 19:39 I WILL FIND OUT FOR YOU.
  • 19:40 WHY GO INTO THIS WHOLE SELF-PUNISHING PEACE PROCESS.
  • 19:42 BUT, I THINK IT'S VERY INSTRUCTIVE AND I WANT TO READ IT.
  • 19:46 BUT, WHY ARE THE JEWS, >>FOR EXAMPLE, CONTINUALLY SAYING,
  • 19:49 ISRAELI JEWS, WE CAN WORK WITH >>ABBAS, MAHMOUD ABBAS,
  • 19:51 THE NEW PALESTINIAN LEADER WHO WAS ARAFAT'S FLUNKY
  • 19:55 AND NOW ACCIDENTALLY HAS LANDED >>IN ARAFAT'S JOB WHEN THE DICTATOR DIED.
  • 19:59 AND ON THAT SUBJECT, WHY, WHEN >>THE DICTATOR PERISHES AND WE NEED A NEW DICTATOR
  • 20:05 DO WE CALL THAT AN ELECTION EQUAL TO IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN?
  • 20:09 EXACTLY.
  • 20:09 THEY SIMPLY APPOINTED THE #2 MAN AND TOLD THE PEOPLE THEY BETTER >>GET TO THE POLLS
  • 20:13 WHEN THE PHOTOGRAPHERS ARE THERE >>AND WE HAVE A NEW DICTATOR.
  • 20:16 BUT, WHY ARE THE ISRAELIS EVEN >>DEALING WITH SUCH A PERSON?
  • 20:21 WHY?
  • 20:22 I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY.
  • 20:22 WELL, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE >>TREATY HAS BEEN ABROGATED.
  • 20:28 THEY'VE ALREADY ABROGATED THE SO-CALLED--
  • 20:30 THE PALESTINIANS HAVE.
  • 20:31 BUT THE SO-CALLED PEACE THAT BUSH HAS BEEN INITIATING, THE ROAD MAP,
  • 20:37 HASN'T BEEN 60 SECONDS OF PEACE SINCE THE PALESTINIANS STARTED >>UP IN 1964.
  • 20:41 WELL, THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING >>BUT FOMENT MORE TERROR AND >>THEY'VE GOTTEN THE MISSILES NOW.
  • 20:47 THEY'VE GOT THE MEANS TO GET THE >>MISSILES OVER.
  • 20:50 THEY'RE DEALING WITH HEZBOLLAH >>STRAIGHT AWAY.
  • 20:53 I MEAN, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON
  • 20:54 AND THE ONLY PERSON WHO'S DOING >>ANYTHING ON THIS SO-CALLED BILATERAL TREATY IS ISRAEL.
  • 21:02 WHY IS ISRAEL CONTINUING TO GIVE UP, GIVE UP? WHY?
  • 21:08 WELL, THEY'RE LOSING.
  • 21:09 SOMEBODY SAID, THIS LOOKS LIKE >>A MILITARY DEFEAT.
  • 21:13 WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT IS A MILITARY DEFEAT.
  • 21:15 THEY'RE NOT LOSING BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIGHT WITH THE PALESTINIANS,
  • 21:17 THEY'RE LOSING BECAUSE THE WORLD >>WON'T ALLOW THEM TO USE THEIR >>ARMY, THEIR WEAPONS OR ANYTHING.
  • 21:23 THEY HAVE TO COWER, THEY HAVE TO >>TELL THE PEOPLE IN GAZA,
  • 21:25 YOU BETTER GET AWAY BECAUSE >>THEY'RE GOING TO SHOOT ROCKETS >>AT YOU
  • 21:28 AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT A BATTALION OF SOLDIERS THERE
  • 21:31 AND WE CAN'T GO IN AND GET THEM, >>SO THERE'S NO OTHER ANSWER.
  • 21:34 COME ON UP HERE AND BE CLOSER TO HOME WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST GET >>AROUND YOU AND PROTECT YOU.
  • 21:39 IF THE WORLD DOESN'T LET ISRAEL >>FIGHT, IT WILL GET SMALLER AND SMALLER
  • 21:44 AND IN WORLDLY TERMS IT WILL DISAPPEAR.
  • 21:47 IN BIBLICAL TERMS, THIS IS VERY >>CLEAR IN PSALM 83
  • 22:08 3000 YEARS AGO.
  • 22:10 THAT SOUNDS LIKE TODAY'S NEWS.
  • 22:13 THAT'S WILD.
  • 22:14 I HAVE SOME THINGS I COULD READ ALSO.
  • 22:17 I KNOW JOAN.
  • 22:18 YOU USED THE WORD COWER.
  • 22:20 THAT'S REALLY PAINFUL TO HEAR.
  • 22:22 IT'S TRUE, BUT I WONDER IF THE >>ISRAELIS ARE AWARE THAT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS COWERING?
  • 22:30 HOW ABOUT YESTERDAY WHEN THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON, DC,
  • 22:34 THE GOVERNMENT, THE NATIONAL SECURITY,
  • 22:36 RUNNING DOWN THE STREETS FOR THEIR LIVES.
  • 22:40 THE WHITE HOUSE EMPTIED,
  • 22:41 SENATORS LEAVING THEIR DESK AND >>RUNNING, TALK ABOUT COWERING.
  • 22:46 WHY DON'T WE FIGHT?
  • 22:47 WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? WE'RE IN A WAR.
  • 22:49 WE DIDN'T COWER FOR THE JAPANESE >>OR THE GERMANS.
  • 22:52 WHO ARE WE GOING TO FIGHT?
  • 22:53 THIS PLANE COULD HAVE HAD A NUCLEAR MISSILE.
  • 22:56 IT COULD HAVE HAD, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A BOMB.
  • 22:58 AND THAT ONE SINGLE ENGINE PLANE COULD HAVE ZOOMED RIGHT INTO THE >>WHITE HOUSE.
  • 23:06 SO, WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE.
  • 23:08 THE PROBLEM IS WHY DID WE LET IT >>GET TO THAT?
  • 23:11 WHEN YOU PLAY CHESS, IF THE GUY'S GOING TO ATTACK YOU,
  • 23:15 SOMETIMES THE ANSWER'S ATTACK HIM FIRST AND GET HIM,
  • 23:17 NEVER MIND WHICH PIECE IS GOING >>TO DO ME THE DAMAGE.
  • 23:21 JUST GET THE GUY.
  • 23:22 WHERE?
  • 23:23 MAYBE START WHERE THE WAHABISM >>STARTS IN SAUDI ARABIA.
  • 23:27 WE CAN'T DO THAT, THOSE ARE THE >>BEST FRIENDS OF THE BUSHES.
  • 23:30 BUSH IS FOR SOME REASON PUSHING A PEACE
  • 23:34 THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AN ANATHEMA >>TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.
  • 23:38 HE'S GETTING A GROUP OF PEOPLE >>TOGETHER WHO BELIEVE
  • 23:40 AND HAVE SAID THEY BELIEVED IN THE DESTRUCTION OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE,
  • 23:44 THE DESTRUCTION OF THE JEWISH STATE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THEIR MOVEMENT,
  • 23:48 FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE TIME >>THE ARABS INVENTED THE PALESTINIAN REFUGEES
  • 23:53 SO THAT THEY COULD TAKE OVER THE >>FIGHT AGAINST ISRAEL,
  • 23:57 AGAINST HAVING A JEWISH OR ANY >>OTHER STATE IN THEIR MIDST,
  • 24:01 THEY TOOK THIS FIGHT ON AT THE >>TIME WHEN ISRAELIS
  • 24:06 DIDN'T HAVE THE FAINTEST IDEA OF >>BEING HATED BY THE ARABS.
  • 24:10 THEY WERE GETTING AWAY FROM THE HOLOCAUST.
  • 24:12 THEY WERE GETTING AWAY FROM THE >>ARAB COUNTRIES.
  • 24:15 THEY WERE FINDING SOME KIND OF SALVATION.
  • 24:20 DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT IS IN >>A SPOT, I MEAN,
  • 24:21 I VOTED FOR BUSH AND I CAN'T >>APPROVE HIS HAVING A VISION FOR >>A PALESTINIAN STATE,
  • 24:28 SILLY STATEMENTS LIKE THAT,
  • 24:29 BUT, DO YOU THINK HE'S IN A SPOT >>WITH OIL AND SO FORTH
  • 24:33 THAT HE HAS TO PLAY ACT FOR THE >>SAUDIS OR SOMETHING?
  • 24:36 WHY WOULD HE DO SUCH >>UNREASONABLE THINGS AS TO EVEN >>PROPOSE A PALESTINIAN STATE?
  • 24:43 WHAT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE >>LESS CAPABLE TO HAVE A NATION?
  • 24:46 I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU I THINK THE REASON >>HE SAID IT
  • 24:50 IS BECAUSE THE ISRAELIS SAID IT FIRST.
  • 24:52 ACTUALLY WHEN THE ISRAELIS FIRST WENT TO TALK TO ARAFAT SECRETLY
  • 24:56 IT WAS PERES WHO BROUGHT IT >>ABOUT, BUT WHEN THEY FIRST WENT >>TO TALK TO ARAFAT,
  • 25:01 IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW TO TALK >>TO A TERRORIST
  • 25:04 AND THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WAS >>FURIOUS WITH ISRAEL.
  • 25:08 SO WE HAVE TO, IN THIS CASE, THE SOURCE OF IT WAS ISRAEL.
  • 25:12 YOU MENTIONED PERES AND YOU ALSO >>MENTIONED A PSYCHIATRIST,
  • 25:16 WE INTERVIEWED PERES ON THIS PROGRAM AND FOR HALF AN HOUR
  • 25:19 LISTENED TO THIS MAN TELL ME HIS VIEWS
  • 25:21 AND AT THE END I WANTED TO SAY >>"DO YOU KNOW A PSYCHIATRIST?"
  • 25:24 I MEAN, NOT TO INDICT ONE MAN, >>BUT THAT WHOLE LEFT WING IN ISRAEL,
  • 25:30 LIKE THE LEFT WING IN AMERICA IS >>SO COUNTERPRODUCTIVE,
  • 25:32 IT'S SO ANTI-NATIONAL AND SO ANTI-DEMOCRATIC.
  • 25:36 THEY KOWTOW, THEY DEAL WITH THE >>WORST OF THE TERRORIST.
  • 25:40 A WASHINGTON COMMENTATOR >>RECENTLY SAID THAT THE GUYS IN >>HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS,
  • 25:48 THEY CALL THEM PROFESSIONAL BUSINESSMEN OR BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS.
  • 25:53 BECAUSE, WHY?
  • 25:54 BECAUSE THE GUY HAD A TIE ON?
  • 25:56 HE PROBABLY HAD A GUN IN HIS POCKET?
  • 25:58 THAT'S LANGUAGE.
  • 25:58 I'D LAUGHED AT IT WITH YOU EXCEPT FOR ONE THING;
  • 26:01 I'M WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE CAMPUSES.
  • 26:03 I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT BECAUSE IT'S MY LITTLE KIDS,
  • 26:06 I HAVE 2 GRANDBABY DAUGHTERS, 2 GRANDBABIES, ONE IS 2 AND ONE IS 9 MONTHS.
  • 26:13 CONGRATULATIONS. >>THANK YOU.
  • 26:14 BY THE WAY, WE'RE IN OUR LAST MINUTE.
  • 26:16 ALRIGHT, REAL FAST.
  • 26:17 THOSE KIDS HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE SOME DAY AND IF THEY CAN'T EVEN >>OPEN THEIR MOUTHS
  • 26:21 AND SAY WHAT THEY THINK WITHOUT >>BEING EITHER KICKED OUT
  • 26:24 OR THEIR INSTRUCTOR BEING KICKED OUT, WHAT KIND OF SOCIETY ARE WE >>GOING TO BE LIVING IN?
  • 26:29 SEND THEM TO TEXAS A & M.
  • 26:30 I HAD AN EMAIL TODAY 4-5 PAGES >>FROM TEXAS A & M, CHRISTIANS ON CAMPUS, PRO ISRAEL,
  • 26:36 MADE SENSE AND IT'S A GREAT BIG >>UNIVERSITY AND A WONDERFUL PLACE.
  • 26:42 I CAN RECOMMEND IT.
  • 26:44 THERE ARE OTHERS OF COURSE, BUT I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
  • 26:47 UNIVERSITIES, COLUMBIA,
  • 26:48 I CAN NAME AT LEAST A DOZEN.
  • 26:49 TERRIBLE CONDITION THESE DAYS AND THE PROFESSORS AND THE STUDENTS WITH THEM.
  • 26:54 WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER PROGRAM, SIT TIGHT,
  • 26:59 AND SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALYIM, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.
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Episodes in this series

  1. Academic Terrorism with Joan Peters, Part 1
  2. Academic Terrorism with Joan Peters, Part 2
  3. Guest: Benny Elon (Knesset member)
  4. The March
  5. Counter Terrorism
  6. Biblical Heartland
  7. The Hill of Evil Council with Tom McCall
  8. Trials and Tribulations with Tom McCall
  9. Hated of All Nations with Tommy Ice
  10. Truth be Told with Tommy Ice
  11. Israel: Who Owns the Land?
  12. Israel and Prophecy with Tommy Ice

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