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Episode: “The Cost of Faith”
Risk of loss often accompanies a faithful life, as exemplified by the Bible’s Esther and Mordecai. In forging America, people of faith petitioned Heaven during dangerous times. New Englander John Adams helped gather representatives of the thirteen colonies around a set of principles that would become the Declaration of Independence.
Series: “Faith of our Fathers”
The Old Testament provides many examples of individuals whose faithful lives contributed to the building up of national Israel. Their actions inspired a future generation of dedicated people to begin carving out a modern yet Godly nation in the New World. In this series, Dr. Jeffrey Seif focuses on these people of faith. In addition, Christian historian David Barton presents original source documents, chronicling many of America’s Founding Fathers’ beliefs and efforts to anchor this nation to the moorings of belief in the God of Israel.

Caption transcript for Faith of our Fathers: “The Cost of Faith” (6/8)

  • 00:03 male announcer: Welcome to "Our Jewish Roots."
  • 00:08 The Word of God has given us examples of faith that have
  • 00:12 shaped virtually every aspect of the believer's life today.
  • 00:17 Where would we be without the examples of Noah, Abraham and
  • 00:22 Isaac, David, and ultimately that of Yeshua, Jesus?
  • 00:28 Faith is woven into the fabric of America, as well, from the
  • 00:32 pilgrims to John Adams, to Patrick Henry,
  • 00:36 and George Washington.
  • 00:38 God's providential hand remained highly esteemed
  • 00:41 and honored above all.
  • 00:44 Faith unshakable.
  • 00:46 Faith unstoppable.
  • 00:48 Faith of our fathers.
  • 00:53 David Hart: Thank you so much for joining us today.
  • 00:55 I am David Hart.
  • 00:56 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
  • 00:58 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: I am Jeffrey Seif.
  • 01:00 We're talking about the faith of our fathers, but let's look
  • 01:03 at the ladies, too.
  • 01:04 Kirsten: Ooh, thank you. Appreciate that.
  • 01:06 We get one program in here, huh?
  • 01:08 Dr. Seif: Well.
  • 01:10 David: Dr. Seif teaches about a mother of our faith.
  • 01:13 Let's go to it right now.
  • 01:15 ♪♪♪
  • 01:29 Dr. Seif: Shalom.
  • 01:31 In this series, we began to talk about the faith of our fathers,
  • 01:37 and I'm good with that, but today we wanna talk about the
  • 01:40 faith of one of our mothers.
  • 01:43 You've heard it said behind every good man there's a good
  • 01:46 woman.
  • 01:47 Well, surely today, when we look at the book of Esther, we see
  • 01:51 that story, a story of a woman behind the scenes.
  • 01:56 You've seen in this series and you'll see later a dramatic
  • 01:59 vignette of a famous woman behind the scenes who put
  • 02:02 together the flag of our culture.
  • 02:05 Well, truth be known, there was a woman behind the scenes who
  • 02:08 preserved Hebraic culture in the Hebrew Bible.
  • 02:13 It is a fascinating story, this woman of faith, and we wanna
  • 02:18 look at her world and consider what she did in it.
  • 02:24 In days like our own today, or in days like yesterday when we
  • 02:29 were just forging a nation here on this side of the Atlantic,
  • 02:33 whether today, yesterday, or way into yesteryear, there are
  • 02:39 stories of individuals who've rolled the dice against an
  • 02:43 uncertain future and taking a stand and walk by faith, a story
  • 02:47 that we look at as we look at the faith of our fathers.
  • 02:52 Or, as I'd said in this case, our mother, one of them.
  • 02:57 The story takes place in the book of Esther.
  • 03:01 I can just feel the tension when I enter into the biblical world.
  • 03:07 The political backdrop was miserable.
  • 03:11 Mordecai knew it.
  • 03:13 He was chagrined because he knew the Jews were about to be
  • 03:16 undone.
  • 03:19 There's the news, and there's the news behind the news that
  • 03:24 affected the Jews, God's people in this case.
  • 03:27 Mordecai was pressed.
  • 03:29 He leaned on Esther, "Can you help?"
  • 03:32 But she was nervous to do so initially.
  • 03:35 And who can blame her?
  • 03:37 Because, you know, faith takes risk.
  • 03:42 Whether it's hopping on a boat and coming into the new world to
  • 03:45 come to America, or whether it's stepping up to take a chance
  • 03:50 here in the biblical Word, whether it's the biblical Word
  • 03:53 or whether it's the world that we live in, the truth of the
  • 03:57 matter it takes faith for our mothers and fathers to move
  • 04:01 forward.
  • 04:03 In this case, Mordecai had a request.
  • 04:05 "Listen, you gotta talk to the king.
  • 04:08 You gotta do something. We're in trouble here."
  • 04:10 She knew there was a risk associated with that,
  • 04:13 but you know what?
  • 04:14 She decided to roll the dice against an uncertain future, and
  • 04:19 there's a holiday that's named after the rolling of the dice in
  • 04:24 something of a dark and twisted sense because someone was game
  • 04:29 to destroy the Jews, and he rolled the dice--his name was
  • 04:33 Haman--to decide on a day to do it.
  • 04:37 Well, what happened here is Esther had to get her faith up.
  • 04:42 We're told here that Mordecai is leaning on her.
  • 04:46 He was a guardian to her, a guide, a counselor, and he tells
  • 04:50 her in chapter 4, verse 14, he says, "You know, Esther, you
  • 04:56 need to take a chance."
  • 04:58 You know why?
  • 05:01 He says, "Who knows whether you've attained royal status
  • 05:03 for such a time as this?"
  • 05:06 Let's pause for a moment to speak of providence.
  • 05:11 Those who forged our own culture spoke of providence that guided
  • 05:15 into the future.
  • 05:17 There really is quite a sense of God leading in the new
  • 05:20 enterprise that is America.
  • 05:23 Well, God's at work here in the Word.
  • 05:25 What do you think?
  • 05:27 And he reminds her, "You know, who knows?
  • 05:28 Come on.
  • 05:30 You know, providence put you here."
  • 05:32 Well, she hears him on that score.
  • 05:35 "You know, maybe I'm just not a pretty girl that got lucky and
  • 05:37 won a beauty contest, you know?
  • 05:40 Maybe God put me where I am to use influence."
  • 05:44 And so it is faith prompts people to roll the dice against
  • 05:50 an uncertain future, one of my expressions, and use influence.
  • 05:54 Well, what she does in response to his petition in this
  • 05:59 political moment, "Gather together the Jews.
  • 06:02 Don't eat or drink. Let's fast."
  • 06:05 They're calling for a fast and a prayer meeting, in effect, and
  • 06:09 isn't that a good thing to do?
  • 06:11 Faith prompts people to petition heaven before they decide for
  • 06:17 things on Earth.
  • 06:19 Subsequent to that, she says afterward--see, a lotta people
  • 06:23 don't have an interior faith walk.
  • 06:27 Not men, not women.
  • 06:29 Sometimes, we just move.
  • 06:31 Sometime, we just march.
  • 06:34 The times are difficult here, and she petitions heaven first
  • 06:39 with pietistic inclinations for prayer and fasting and what have
  • 06:42 you, subsequent to which she says, "Then I," and I'm reading
  • 06:46 from the text, "will go to the king, even though it is not
  • 06:50 according to the law."
  • 06:52 That is to say to show up uninvited.
  • 06:55 You do it at your own risk, but she decided to throw herself
  • 06:58 into uncertainty here, propelled by a kind of faith that maybe
  • 07:02 destiny has her number dialed up.
  • 07:05 And she says a line after that that is just so profound.
  • 07:09 She says, "If I perish, I perish."
  • 07:13 You know, we talk about the cost.
  • 07:16 Faith comes with a cost.
  • 07:19 People talk about the free gift of God in Messiah Jesus, and,
  • 07:23 indeed, it's a free gift because he paid for it,
  • 07:26 like the holidays.
  • 07:27 I gave my kids, when they were growing up, free gifts, but
  • 07:29 someone had to pay for the gift.
  • 07:31 Come to think of it, I don't just do it when they
  • 07:33 were growing up.
  • 07:34 I do it when they were adults.
  • 07:35 There's nothing free at the end of the day.
  • 07:37 Someone's paying for it, and here we see someone taking a
  • 07:41 deep breath and moving forward.
  • 07:44 And so it was not just in Bible days, but in the forging of our
  • 07:48 own world here in America.
  • 07:51 There were people with faith who looked to God, who petitioned
  • 07:54 heaven, subsequent to which they then moved forward.
  • 07:59 And dangerous were the times.
  • 08:01 Oh, goodness.
  • 08:03 The political backdrop here is extremely dangerous, and so it
  • 08:07 was when I think of our fathers and mothers in colonial America,
  • 08:11 to tell you the truth.
  • 08:12 And we'll get to that in a moment, you know?
  • 08:14 But when I think about even the thought of breaking away from
  • 08:17 Britain, powerful Britain.
  • 08:20 It held the day.
  • 08:21 And those that believed God had guided them here to this new
  • 08:25 world and were then minded to take a stand in this world, to
  • 08:29 make a place here, to stand up for principles in this world.
  • 08:34 Oh, it took faith for them back then.
  • 08:37 You know, it took faith for them here in Bible days.
  • 08:40 It took faith for our fathers and mothers in Bible days.
  • 08:44 And you know what?
  • 08:45 It takes faith for us today, and so it is I'm pleased to come to
  • 08:51 you, we all are, to look at the story of the faith of our
  • 08:55 fathers, and in this case the faith of our mothers and
  • 08:59 fathers, as well.
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  • 10:30 Dr. Seif: Did you know that the word "providence" and the
  • 10:33 word "from provision" are really in effect cut from
  • 10:36 the same cloth?
  • 10:38 In one case God provides, as in providence, as in
  • 10:40 divine providence.
  • 10:42 In another he works through individuals who
  • 10:45 provide provision.
  • 10:46 With that said, let me encourage you--we're considering divine
  • 10:50 providence in this program, but let me ask you, please, lend a
  • 10:54 hand to participate with him in providing.
  • 10:59 That's what it means to be Christians at the end
  • 11:01 of the day.
  • 11:02 That is, that we love, we care, and we share.
  • 11:05 It's intrinsic to our faith that our faith has works, and,
  • 11:10 please, if God inspires you to do it, please help provide for
  • 11:14 what we do.
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  • 11:20 It's not just a stand-up preacher.
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  • 11:34 Kirsten: Providence is an interesting word.
  • 11:36 It's not one that we use every day in our vernacular.
  • 11:40 I think that's a big word also, but it's the protective
  • 11:43 care of God.
  • 11:44 And we just wanna let all of you know, yes, we're a television
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  • 11:59 or unsafe.
  • 12:01 That's probably our number-one question that we get, don't you
  • 12:03 think, from people?
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  • 12:06 Kirsten: Right.
  • 12:07 A lot of our family go, "Do you feel safe?"
  • 12:09 Every single time, so that is never something to worry about
  • 12:13 or think about.
  • 12:14 God's providence.
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  • 12:24 Dr. Seif: You know, Kirsten, you say that, and I've been in
  • 12:26 and out of Israel 50 times, and it's always the same story
  • 12:30 over decades.
  • 12:31 "Aren't you scared to go?"
  • 12:33 Whether you're afraid of a virus or afraid of Iraq or a bullet,
  • 12:36 whatever, it's people are always thrown on their heels, but those
  • 12:40 that go there marvel.
  • 12:42 It's such a joyous experience.
  • 12:43 Kirsten: And that's the number one thing.
  • 12:45 Everyone that's there is like, "I never knew the peace."
  • 12:47 I mean, literally, where you can slice.
  • 12:49 The peace is so thick.
  • 12:50 Dr. Seif: There's such a chasm between the rhetoric
  • 12:52 and the reality.
  • 12:53 Kirsten: I agree.
  • 12:55 David: A lotta prayer for the peace of Jerusalem also.
  • 12:56 Dr. Seif: That's true. We do it on this program.
  • 12:58 People have been drawn to the land.
  • 12:59 It's just part of the mystery that is Israel, and pilgrims
  • 13:04 have gone there from medieval times, way beyond that.
  • 13:08 It's always had a certain allure.
  • 13:10 If God's drawing you, come on.
  • 13:12 Do it.
  • 13:14 David: Right now, Betsy Ross and her clergyman friend discuss
  • 13:16 the issue of providence in our dramatic reenactment.
  • 13:19 Let's go there right now.
  • 13:23 clergyman: Betsy, permit me to read from Mr. John Adams, a
  • 13:28 fierce advocate and signer of the Declaration of Independence.
  • 13:32 Betsy Ross: Please do so, sir.
  • 13:35 clergyman: Herein he writes to his dear wife, Abigail.
  • 13:39 "Yesterday, the greatest question was decided, which ever
  • 13:43 was debated in America, and a greater, perhaps, never was nor
  • 13:47 will be decided among men.
  • 13:50 It is the will of heaven that the two countries should be
  • 13:52 sundered forever.
  • 13:55 I must submit all my hopes and fears to an overruling
  • 13:58 providence, in which I firmly believe."
  • 14:02 Betsy: It was a day many of us longed for, a day we believed
  • 14:07 would never happen, and yet God's mighty hand guided those
  • 14:11 gentlemen in providential fashion.
  • 14:15 clergyman: Mr. Adams continues.
  • 14:18 "This will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America.
  • 14:24 I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding
  • 14:28 generations as the great anniversary festival.
  • 14:32 It ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn
  • 14:35 acts of devotion of God Almighty."
  • 14:40 Betsy: A day of deliverance.
  • 14:43 Sounds much like the official seal Mr. Jefferson says he
  • 14:47 desires for America.
  • 14:49 The children of Israel in the wilderness led by a cloud by day
  • 14:55 and a pillar of fire by night.
  • 14:58 clergyman: Yes, it does, and, clearly, to Mr. Adams,
  • 15:04 the children of Israel should remain important.
  • 15:08 "I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men
  • 15:13 than any other nation.
  • 15:15 They preserve and propagate to all mankind the doctrine of
  • 15:19 supreme, intelligent, wise, almighty sovereign of the
  • 15:24 universe, which I believe to be the great essential principle of
  • 15:28 all morality, and consequently of all civilization."
  • 15:34 Betsy: Sir, do you perceive, as do I, that the providence in
  • 15:39 which you speak of is unfolding before our eyes?
  • 15:43 That liberty will really ring throughout our land.
  • 15:47 clergyman: I do, Betsy.
  • 15:49 I do.
  • 15:55 Dr. Seif: Getting people together and on the same page
  • 15:58 comes replete with many challenges.
  • 16:01 We think of the Founding Fathers getting together in one place
  • 16:04 and coming up with that declaration, but many of them
  • 16:07 never met each other.
  • 16:09 They didn't know each other.
  • 16:10 John Adams was the go-to guy to pull it together.
  • 16:13 David Barton takes us there as we look at the faith of our
  • 16:17 fathers and the factions of our fathers that needed
  • 16:21 to be overcome.
  • 16:25 Dr. Seif: The name "Adams" is rather interesting.
  • 16:27 Comes from the Hebrew "adamah," which means Earth.
  • 16:31 Adam, of course, we know from the Bible.
  • 16:33 Adam and Eve derives from that.
  • 16:34 God made him from the earth.
  • 16:36 John Adams, he's a famous one, isn't he?
  • 16:38 David Barton: He is a very famous one.
  • 16:40 He is a very significant one.
  • 16:42 America was so distinct back in the day.
  • 16:45 You had 13 colonies, and most of these guys did not know each
  • 16:49 other before they got together, so Adams, John Adams right here,
  • 16:53 represents a lot of the New England kind of thinking.
  • 16:56 You have Thomas Jefferson, who represents more of the Southern
  • 16:59 type of thinking, and so getting groups together.
  • 17:02 I mean, the guys from Georgia never met the guys from
  • 17:04 Massachusetts.
  • 17:05 The guys from New York didn't know anybody from South
  • 17:09 Carolina, so getting these guys together around a set of
  • 17:10 principles was very interesting, and John Adams was one of the
  • 17:13 great leaders there.
  • 17:15 Interestingly, when we write the Declaration of Independence,
  • 17:17 it's Richard Henry Lee over here who makes the motion that we
  • 17:20 should separate from Great Britain.
  • 17:22 And Congress is ready to do that, but they said, "We can't
  • 17:25 do it yet," so they tabled his motion for a month until we
  • 17:28 wrote a document explaining why we're going to separate.
  • 17:31 And so, they made these five guys right here--this is the
  • 17:34 committee that wrote the Declaration of Independence.
  • 17:36 They're presenting it to Congress right here.
  • 17:38 This is John Hancock, the president of Congress, and these
  • 17:41 five guys--John Adams was wise enough that when they got
  • 17:45 together in that group he said, "You know, we really ought to
  • 17:48 let Jefferson do the writing here."
  • 17:51 And they all agreed, and so Jefferson is the principal
  • 17:53 author, but it's because of his decision.
  • 17:55 He's also the guy who said, "You know, we need
  • 17:56 a military commander.
  • 17:58 I think George Washington is the right guy," so he's the guy who
  • 18:01 chose Washington.
  • 18:02 So, he was very astute, very wise, very deep.
  • 18:06 He called himself a church-going animal, which kinda tells you
  • 18:09 the mentality he had, but he is a very significant
  • 18:13 Founding Father.
  • 18:14 Dr. Seif: Yes, and he really had an appreciation for the
  • 18:16 Jews, interestingly.
  • 18:17 David: He did.
  • 18:19 He very early on, as president of United States, expressed the
  • 18:22 desire that Judea should be rebuilt, come back to life.
  • 18:25 It was a Zionist view.
  • 18:27 I mean, very early on his relationship with leading Jews
  • 18:30 like Mordecai and Noah were very strong.
  • 18:32 Dr. Seif: I mean, to think for a moment, famous American
  • 18:34 leaders are thinking about something beyond America.
  • 18:37 That is, to put someone forth on the map that hasn't been there
  • 18:39 for millennia.
  • 18:40 David: That's right.
  • 18:42 So, when Israel came back in 1948, so many people in the
  • 18:44 1930s didn't even see Israel coming back yet.
  • 18:47 I mean, it was almost a surprise for so many people.
  • 18:49 It just never crossed their mind.
  • 18:51 So, here he is, when there's no talk of that, and he's the guy
  • 18:54 raising the issue, said, "Israel needs to come back as a nation."
  • 18:58 Dr. Seif: Yes, we wanna say they're all racists, but that's
  • 19:00 just not borne out by the principal literature, is it?
  • 19:03 David: Well, he is a guy who never owned a slave in his life,
  • 19:06 and he hated slavery.
  • 19:07 So many of the Massachusetts guys, whether you take
  • 19:10 John Adams or you take John Hancock or you take someone like
  • 19:14 Robert Treat Paine or some of the other Massachusetts guys,
  • 19:17 they hated slavery.
  • 19:19 And there never was a time in Massachusetts when blacks could
  • 19:21 not vote, I mean from the very beginning, back to the time of
  • 19:24 the pilgrims, so this is part of the conflict that Jefferson
  • 19:27 found, 'cause he's a Virginia guy.
  • 19:30 And when we talked about George Washington, he, too,
  • 19:32 owned slaves.
  • 19:33 Jefferson owned slaves.
  • 19:35 Both of them did not want to own slaves.
  • 19:36 Jefferson entered the state legislature and introduced laws
  • 19:40 to abolish slavery in Virginia.
  • 19:42 He always lost, but he did, in 1784, introduce a national law
  • 19:46 to end slavery, and it lost by one vote in Congress.
  • 19:49 Jefferson was really strongly against slavery.
  • 19:52 It's just not known today.
  • 19:54 Dr. Seif: You know, and when I think about the story you're
  • 19:56 telling, bringing people together from different places
  • 19:58 and different perspectives, that's the genius of America.
  • 20:01 That's the play here.
  • 20:02 You don't just burn the--you just don't destroy people you
  • 20:05 don't agree with, the cancel culture.
  • 20:08 I mean, here they had to open up, and it's a little bit of
  • 20:10 give and take, and that's what moves the ball forward.
  • 20:12 David: Well, it's also a bad narrative to say, "Well, these
  • 20:15 guys were white, so the whole nation is white."
  • 20:17 No, no.
  • 20:18 The American Revolution was fought by whites and blacks, and
  • 20:20 the greatest heroes, military heroes in history were black
  • 20:22 heroes in the revolution.
  • 20:24 It was Jews. It was Christians.
  • 20:26 It was women. It was men.
  • 20:27 It was Hispanics.
  • 20:28 There were about 20 different nationalities that were involved
  • 20:33 in building America, so it really was a collection of what
  • 20:36 you see in Revelation 7, where they gathered around his throne,
  • 20:39 people from all tribes, all languages, all nations,
  • 20:41 all people--
  • 20:43 Dr. Seif: Yeah, I think different people from
  • 20:45 different places and different races.
  • 20:46 And nothing's perfect, but they saw something promising in
  • 20:49 America that existed nowhere else on planet Earth.
  • 20:53 David: You know, it's interesting when you see how
  • 20:54 unique America is today.
  • 20:56 Back in John Adams's day, 42 years after the American
  • 21:00 Revolution and--well, actually, about 40 years.
  • 21:03 I guess it's about 1816.
  • 21:05 A young man named Hezekiah Niles came to him, and he would be
  • 21:09 kind of like a millennial, that generation.
  • 21:11 He's the younger generation.
  • 21:12 Adams is now old, 40 years after the revolution.
  • 21:14 1816, he says, "I'm going to write a book about
  • 21:18 the American Revolution."
  • 21:19 This is the book he did. This came out in 1822.
  • 21:22 He said, "But you were actually there.
  • 21:24 You were part of what happened, and I want your
  • 21:28 eyewitness account."
  • 21:29 He said, "So, when you, as a great Founding Father, look back
  • 21:33 at the American founding, who do you think was important?"
  • 21:37 And John Adams wrote him.
  • 21:39 He said, "Well, I think the Reverend Charles Chauncy, the
  • 21:44 Reverend Dr. Samuel Cooper, the Reverend Dr. Jonathan Mayhew,
  • 21:48 George Whitefield."
  • 21:50 He goes through all these preachers.
  • 21:52 Now, we never do that, but this--I mean, this is
  • 21:54 Charles Chauncy.
  • 21:56 This is a sermon about the Stamp Act.
  • 21:59 Now, how many people today would preach a sermon about
  • 22:02 an economic tax?
  • 22:04 But this is the kind of thinking we had biblically.
  • 22:06 This is a sermon done by Dr. Mayhew, these two sermons.
  • 22:10 One's on earthquakes and one's on the great fire.
  • 22:12 Whatever was in the headline of the newspapers, we were
  • 22:14 preaching from the pulpit, and so John Adams points--these are
  • 22:18 all Whitefield sermon, George Whitefield's sermons, but
  • 22:21 John Adams points to these guys.
  • 22:23 And it's interesting that when you look at the Declaration of
  • 22:25 Independence, historians have now documented that every single
  • 22:29 right set forth in the declaration had been preached
  • 22:33 from the American pulpit prior to 1763.
  • 22:36 So, if you want a radical thought think about the
  • 22:39 Declaration of Independence as listening to sermon topics that
  • 22:42 these guys have been hearing for a couple decades
  • 22:45 leading up to this.
  • 22:46 It really was the leadership of church and Christian leaders and
  • 22:49 pastors in the Bible that built America and made it so unique,
  • 22:53 and that's why you see so much diversity in it, as well.
  • 22:57 Dr. Seif: But we know nothing about the faith of our
  • 22:59 fathers today.
  • 23:01 For young in America today, John Adams is a beer.
  • 23:03 "Yo, dude.
  • 23:05 I want one of them," and people are clueless about what really
  • 23:06 lived in his heart and mind.
  • 23:08 David: Yeah.
  • 23:10 And, as you mentioned, you know, Sam Adams right over here.
  • 23:12 Sam Adams's a beer.
  • 23:13 That's what people think about today, and so they don't know.
  • 23:15 And the same with this.
  • 23:17 I often put this picture up when I speak at universities, and I
  • 23:19 asked the guys, I said, "Okay.
  • 23:21 Who up there can you call by name?"
  • 23:24 And they can point, usually, to Franklin, Jefferson
  • 23:27 and that's as far as they go.
  • 23:29 So, I met one kid one time at one college say Adams, but you
  • 23:33 just pointed out the two least religious Founding Fathers of
  • 23:35 the group.
  • 23:37 And you think the whole group is built around that, when so many
  • 23:39 of these guys--I mean, John Hancock, for example,
  • 23:43 called the state of Massachusetts to pray and fast.
  • 23:46 He called for days of prayer.
  • 23:48 Twenty-two separate times he calls a state to days of prayer.
  • 23:51 You know, that's not atheist or agnostic.
  • 23:53 We just don't know these guys today.
  • 23:55 Dr. Seif: Yeah, he was bold, Hancock.
  • 23:57 My understanding is that when he wrote in big letters on the
  • 23:59 document--King George had bad vision.
  • 24:02 He says, "I bet George can read that."
  • 24:04 David: Yeah, that was the anecdote that goes with it.
  • 24:06 "John Bull can read this now."
  • 24:07 And, by the way, he had to sacrifice his own business
  • 24:12 to do that.
  • 24:14 By signing that document, he wiped out his business, and so a
  • 24:16 lot of these guys, ten of them, never lived to see the freedom
  • 24:19 they wanted us to have.
  • 24:20 And we just don't know the sacrifices.
  • 24:22 Dr. Seif: Yeah, they made great sacrifices.
  • 24:24 David: They made great sacrifice.
  • 24:25 Dr. Seif: You made one to be with us today.
  • 24:26 Thank you for doing that.
  • 24:28 David: My pleasure. Good to be with you.
  • 24:31 David: David Barton has brought to us some major
  • 24:32 artifacts in this series.
  • 24:34 We're so thankful he's with us, but also some little tidbits
  • 24:37 that hopefully you've learned with us, things like
  • 24:40 John Hancock and his large signature so the king could read
  • 24:43 the Declaration of Independence.
  • 24:44 Wow.
  • 24:46 Dr. Seif: Yeah, I learned that years ago.
  • 24:47 King George had bad vision, and he was a little snotty.
  • 24:51 He wrote it large.
  • 24:52 He said, "I bet George could read that," and George did.
  • 24:56 And he paid dearly for it.
  • 24:57 That is, John Hancock for his courage to weigh in and
  • 25:01 contribute his name, his fortune, and it was something.
  • 25:06 Kirsten: Many of the Founding Fathers paid for it a lot, but
  • 25:08 also 20--David Barton, thank you so much for this insight.
  • 25:12 Twenty different nationalities fought in the Revolutionary War.
  • 25:16 Never knew that, either.
  • 25:18 Dr. Seif: We stand on the shoulders of giants, and those
  • 25:20 giants are obscured from history because we don't think about the
  • 25:24 signers of the Declaration of Independence.
  • 25:26 We know Hancock.
  • 25:28 There were others and there were plenty others from different
  • 25:30 cultures, different peoples that contributed to the war effort.
  • 25:33 Kirsten: And our backdrop is Israel.
  • 25:35 So, I think you're watching this program.
  • 25:37 It's called "Our Jewish Roots."
  • 25:39 Our Jewish roots run deep even into the Revolutionary War, with
  • 25:43 the Jewish people fighting in different ways, and it's almost
  • 25:46 like they're always fighting for their freedom.
  • 25:50 Always.
  • 25:51 Dr. Seif: Yeah, the Touro Synagogue is the one synagogue
  • 25:53 from the era that's still standing.
  • 25:55 There was one in New York, Shearith Israel, but it moved.
  • 25:58 It was on Mill Street, at the base of the island.
  • 26:00 But the Touro Synagogue in New England,
  • 26:04 Judah Touro was a philanthropist.
  • 26:06 He didn't just give to Jewish causes.
  • 26:07 He was of Jewish extract himself, but he gave to
  • 26:09 non-Jewish causes, as well.
  • 26:11 In fact, to date, he--when he made his donations in his will,
  • 26:16 no one had given more money to the American experiment
  • 26:20 than he did personally.
  • 26:22 A lotta people contribute to the world that we have right now,
  • 26:25 and we can thank the faith of our fathers.
  • 26:28 Some came from different faiths, as in the case of Touro
  • 26:31 with the Jewish faith.
  • 26:33 Kirsten: Which is wonderful. I mean, did you know that?
  • 26:35 David: I did not.
  • 26:36 Kirsten: We didn't, unfortunately.
  • 26:38 I mean, there are some things we do know, but that's what's so
  • 26:39 wonderful about this program and having special guests like
  • 26:42 David Barton on our program that bring insights, especially about
  • 26:47 our Jewish roots.
  • 26:49 Dr. Seif: And to that point, I think it's a weakness in
  • 26:51 television and Christian television.
  • 26:53 A lotta ministers are trying to come up with things that
  • 26:55 are new and fanciful.
  • 26:58 We're interested in teaching things that have been forgotten.
  • 27:00 Kirsten: And thank you for your teaching today also.
  • 27:03 More to come next week.
  • 27:04 David: So good.
  • 27:05 We end our program today with a song from our founder,
  • 27:07 Zola Levitt.
  • 27:08 Dr. Seif: And a Scripture. Sha'alu shalom Yerushalayim.
  • 27:11 Kirsten: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
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Episodes in this series

  1. What is Faith
  2. Faith by Trial
  3. Faith in the Unseen
  4. Faith to Build a Nation Upon
  5. Faith in Our Leaders
  6. The Cost of Faith
  7. The Actions of the Faithful
  8. The Application of Faith

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