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Episode: “The Land Promised”
In Bethel, we explore God’s promise to Abraham: that his descendants are eternally bound to what we call the “Promised Land.”
Series:Eretz Israel (The Land of Israel) (2021)”
In this eight-part television series, Dr. Jeffrey Seif takes viewers through Eretz Israel (The Land of Israel). By exploring the Bible’s accounts of the Holy Land’s past, present, and prophetic future, we discover an inextricable relationship between the people of Israel and the land of Israel. Former CBS correspondent David Dolan helps explore the modern-day struggles that accompany the re-establishment of the ancestral Jewish homeland. On-location TV footage, dramas, and Zola’s wonderful music punctuate the series.

Caption transcript for Eretz Israel (The Land of Israel) (2021): “The Land Promised” (1/8)

  • 00:03 ♪♪♪ David Hart: Welcome to "Our Jewish Roots," with insightful
  • 00:07 Bible teaching from Israel by Dr. Jeffrey Seif.
  • 00:10 We travel to Beersheba today on "Eretz Israel,"
  • 00:14 the "Land of Israel."
  • 00:18 ♪♪♪
  • 00:20 [vocalizing]
  • 00:25 male announcer: "Look to the north, the south,
  • 00:30 the east, the West--"
  • 00:35 ♪♪♪
  • 00:41 announcer: "--all the land which thou seest, to thee will I
  • 00:45 give it unto thy seed forever."
  • 00:50 "Indeed, he who watches over Israel will neither
  • 00:54 slumber nor sleep."
  • 00:57 ♪♪♪
  • 01:03 announcer: "Eretz Israel."
  • 01:05 ♪♪♪
  • 01:12 David: We're so glad you've joined us today.
  • 01:14 I am David Hart.
  • 01:15 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
  • 01:16 Jeffrey Seif: I am Jeffrey Seif, and with the gang.
  • 01:19 Thrilled you're with us today.
  • 01:21 We're going to go back in time and look at the story of the
  • 01:25 land of Israel.
  • 01:26 David: And we learned the Hebrew word
  • 01:28 for that, "Eretz Israel."
  • 01:29 That's what this whole series is about.
  • 01:31 Jeffrey: Yes-- [rolling tongue] "Eretz."
  • 01:33 You do it quite well, tell you the truth.
  • 01:34 David: I've been practicing.
  • 01:36 Jeffrey: You guys are coming along.
  • 01:37 You've grown over the years.
  • 01:39 Kirsten: Thank you, "toda raba," thank you very much.
  • 01:40 Jeffrey: Bevakasha. You're learning a little Hebrew.
  • 01:42 You know, you guys are great Christian people.
  • 01:44 Weren't born of Jewish extract but just fell in love with all
  • 01:47 this stuff, and you're in Israel all the time,
  • 01:49 leading groups, aren't ya?
  • 01:50 Kirsten: Absolutely love it, but the thing that sets this
  • 01:53 land apart, there's no other land in the world
  • 01:56 that was promised.
  • 01:58 And we call it the Promised Land, but from the voice of God
  • 02:02 himself, he said, "This is for my people.
  • 02:04 Jeffrey: Right, even the term "Promised Land," you say, "we
  • 02:07 call it," the literature doesn't call itself the Promised Land,
  • 02:11 but you notice in biblical literature, there are a variety
  • 02:15 of promises associated with it and blessings to those
  • 02:19 that get involved in those promises.
  • 02:20 David: Amen.
  • 02:22 Kirsten: Should call it, more, the "covenant land"?
  • 02:23 Jeffrey: You can call it whatever you want.
  • 02:25 I just want you to love it.
  • 02:26 Kirsten: And this series, we see you very adventuresome.
  • 02:30 You have leather jackets, and you have your leather bag, and
  • 02:33 you're driving a Land Rover.
  • 02:35 You went to places that people don't get to visit,
  • 02:38 and you got there.
  • 02:39 Jeffrey: I remember driving that Defender.
  • 02:42 It's of the Range Rover series, and I'm out there and passing
  • 02:47 skeletons, not of people, but animals that died.
  • 02:50 I mean, we're really going places buses don't go, to show
  • 02:54 people things people don't normally see, all with the mind
  • 02:57 to better appreciate Eretz Israel.
  • 03:01 David: That's good.
  • 03:03 Dr. Seif was on location near Bethel, which is called the
  • 03:05 House of God, but, first, let's watch as Abraham travels to the
  • 03:09 new land of Canaan.
  • 03:12 ♪♪♪
  • 03:13 announcer: "Now, the Lord said unto Abram, 'Get thee out
  • 03:16 of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's
  • 03:20 house, unto a land that I will show thee, and I will make of
  • 03:25 thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name
  • 03:29 great, and thou shalt be a blessing.
  • 03:32 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curses
  • 03:36 thee, and in thee shall all families of the earth
  • 03:40 be blessed.'
  • 03:41 And Abraham took Sarai, his wife, his nephew,
  • 03:45 Lot, all the substance and persons they had acquired in
  • 03:49 Haran and journeyed to Canaan."
  • 03:53 ♪♪♪
  • 03:54 Jeffrey: It has been said that a journey of a lifetime
  • 03:56 begins with the very first steps.
  • 03:59 Well, come with me now and journey with me as we walk in
  • 04:04 the footsteps of our father Abraham.
  • 04:06 ♪♪♪
  • 04:16 ♪♪♪
  • 04:24 ♪♪♪
  • 04:44 Jeffrey: Ever heard the expression,
  • 04:45 "The road less traveled"?
  • 04:48 For many of us, the road of faith is just that.
  • 04:53 We wanna consider the footsteps of the father of faith, and to
  • 04:57 help us, I wanna show you a map so you can get some vision for
  • 05:01 the road that he traveled.
  • 05:06 It's a big map, but he took some big steps.
  • 05:09 Avraham left Ur of Chaldee.
  • 05:12 He made his way through Mesopotamia, a Greek word
  • 05:15 meaning "between the rivers," the Euphrates and the Tigris.
  • 05:19 He goes to Haran for a season until such time as the Lord
  • 05:22 beckons him to finish the final leg of the journey, making his
  • 05:26 way, the Eretz Kna'an, in the land of Canaan, and it's gonna
  • 05:31 lead him to this place here, Bethel, and it's not only this
  • 05:36 place here, but it's this place here.
  • 05:40 Come with me now.
  • 05:41 Let me give you a window of what it looks like.
  • 05:44 ♪♪♪
  • 05:54 Jeffrey: The promise given of a great nation, Avraham then
  • 05:58 departs, and he makes his way to the land of Kna'an, the land
  • 06:04 then called Canaan.
  • 06:06 Open your Bibles, please, to Genesis chapter 12, and let's
  • 06:10 follow in the footsteps of our father Abraham.
  • 06:15 We're told in verse 5, "They departed,
  • 06:17 and they came to Canaan."
  • 06:19 Avraham is noted as passing through various places, and
  • 06:25 isn't it like a journey?
  • 06:26 As we're going to our inheritance in the Lord, there's
  • 06:30 various stops along the way.
  • 06:32 We're told in verse 6, that "The Canaanites were in the land."
  • 06:36 It's interesting.
  • 06:37 The Lord says, "I'll give you the land of Canaan."
  • 06:40 There still were people using the term "Canaanites" broadly
  • 06:43 construed that were here.
  • 06:45 That aside, even with some scattered people moving about
  • 06:49 here, the Lord is explicit.
  • 06:51 And I want you to hear me, please, in verse 7.
  • 06:53 In no uncertain terms, the Lord says, first, "The Lord appeared
  • 06:57 to him--" it's something of a vision-- "and said, 'To your
  • 07:03 descendants I will give this land," the land of Canaan.
  • 07:08 There's real estate, there's a tribal sorts, loose
  • 07:14 confederacies moving around in different places here, and some
  • 07:18 have taken residency in the cities, small fledgling cities,
  • 07:22 if you will, but, you know, as people are migrating along the
  • 07:26 Fertile Crescent and settling down here--but the Lord brings
  • 07:30 Avraham here and he says, "Listen, I have given this land
  • 07:34 to you," in no uncertain terms of promise.
  • 07:37 "To your descendants I will give it."
  • 07:40 And what does he do in response to hearing that?
  • 07:42 We're told something that Avraham has done more than once.
  • 07:45 What does he do?
  • 07:47 He builds an altar, a "mizbeach,"
  • 07:50 a place of sacrifice.
  • 07:53 As we make our journey from the womb to the tomb, some of us
  • 07:56 have moments where we have something of an existential
  • 07:59 encounter with the Lord, where we hear him speak to us.
  • 08:02 He stirs us up in our hearts.
  • 08:05 It's not all intellect, but there's a sense if we have a
  • 08:08 little "Ruach HaKodesh" dwelling in us, a little Holy
  • 08:10 Spirit that we're being driven along by a force
  • 08:13 that's not our own.
  • 08:15 We hear God's voice.
  • 08:16 We move by his Spirit.
  • 08:18 An individual is thus inclined within that context or mind it
  • 08:22 along the way to build some altars, to take some time out to
  • 08:26 worship the Lord.
  • 08:28 Abraham, upon hearing at this place is minded to do much that.
  • 08:33 I want you to see, we're told, having heard the promise, "He
  • 08:38 moves from there," in verse 8, "to the mountain east of Beit
  • 08:41 El, Bethel, and he pitched his tent with Bethel on the west
  • 08:45 and Ai on the east."
  • 08:46 And, by the way, I'm coming to you from that place right now.
  • 08:52 Tourists don't frequent this because it's not much at one
  • 08:54 level, but one pilgrim did many years ago, and we're all about
  • 08:59 following the off-road story of the Bible where the tourist
  • 09:03 buses don't come.
  • 09:05 It's easy to get a camera crew or easier, I should say, to get
  • 09:08 a crew in to take you to see some things that they haven't
  • 09:12 built highways for others to get to.
  • 09:15 In any place, we're in proximity to that place here, between
  • 09:19 those two cities noted where Abraham is minded to worship the
  • 09:23 Lord, we're told, and there, as I noted earlier, "he built an
  • 09:28 altar to the Lord, and he calls on the name of the Lord."
  • 09:34 Now, I call upon good people who call upon the name of the Lord
  • 09:38 to read the Bible.
  • 09:41 I'm surprised, by the way, how individuals that lay siege to
  • 09:46 the claim of being Bible believers, but I don't know what
  • 09:49 Bible they're reading because I'm clueless how someone can be
  • 09:51 a Bible believer on the one hand, and a non-supporter of
  • 09:55 Jewish people in this land or on the other.
  • 09:57 It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
  • 10:00 They can call themselves bishop, professor, doctor, reverend,
  • 10:03 whatever, but I'm clueless how someone can read the Bible and
  • 10:07 not just, you know, hold on to what the Bible says.
  • 10:09 Well, I wanna do that, and so I wanna commend to you, not just
  • 10:13 as I leave this one teaching segment, but as I introduce a
  • 10:16 series to remind you God gave land to people, and in this
  • 10:21 series, "Eretz Israel," we're gonna not only follow Abraham,
  • 10:25 but we're gonna follow his progeny, Yischaq, and Yaaqob.
  • 10:29 We'll follow them around the land, the land called the
  • 10:33 Promised Land, the land of Israel.
  • 10:36 ♪♪♪
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  • 12:08 For many, a trip to the Holy Land is the dream of a lifetime.
  • 12:14 The Bible truly comes alive as you see the sites were so many
  • 12:17 biblical events happened.
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  • 12:38 Kirsten: Two times a year, we host tours to the beautiful land
  • 12:42 of Israel, Eretz Israel, the Land of Israel.
  • 12:45 We would love for you to go along with us.
  • 12:48 Levitt.com is the easiest way to get in touch with our tour
  • 12:52 manager, and there's a place in this next segment that David
  • 12:57 Dolan is gonna take all of you to the Church
  • 12:59 of the Holy Sepulchre.
  • 13:01 And we've been, oh, my gosh, how many times?
  • 13:02 David: Ten? Kirsten: Ten?
  • 13:04 David: At least, yeah.
  • 13:05 Kirsten: To this church, and it's somewhere that we always
  • 13:07 take you, take our pilgrims on tour.
  • 13:10 It's fascinating.
  • 13:11 The history is amazing.
  • 13:12 We would love for you to go with us to the Land of Israel.
  • 13:17 David: How many times you think you've been to the Church
  • 13:19 of the Holy Sepulchre?
  • 13:20 Jeffrey: Oh, 50-somethin' times.
  • 13:21 David: Yeah, it's amazing.
  • 13:23 Jeffrey: And you can go back in ancient history.
  • 13:25 There's diaries of people that made long pilgrimages
  • 13:28 at great expense.
  • 13:30 They wanted to get to the Holy Land.
  • 13:32 I think Egeria, the diary of Egeria, I recall reading a
  • 13:37 fourth or fifth century, giving voice to the experience of
  • 13:41 visiting the land and the church at great expense.
  • 13:45 Speaking of a great expense, you know, if you look at television,
  • 13:50 someone always pays for it.
  • 13:51 You know, there's commercials.
  • 13:52 I don't know if you get bothered by commercials, you know,
  • 13:55 selling toothpaste, selling this, selling that.
  • 13:57 Someone pays for this.
  • 13:59 It's not free.
  • 14:00 You know, salvation is a free gift that someone paid for.
  • 14:03 Jesus, in this case.
  • 14:05 But relative to television, the reason why we do this
  • 14:08 is because you care to share.
  • 14:11 If it's a toothpaste commercial that the toothpaste company is
  • 14:14 purchasing, then the stock goes up,
  • 14:17 and the stockholders are pleased.
  • 14:19 The Gospel goes out.
  • 14:20 The principal stockholder is pleased.
  • 14:22 That's God himself.
  • 14:23 Thank you for investing in what we do.
  • 14:26 Please help us tell the story.
  • 14:29 If you find value in traveling the land of Israel with an open
  • 14:33 Bible, if you find value in going to sites not frequented by
  • 14:38 many, if you can't go there yourself but you like it when we
  • 14:42 show you the place, please get behind us and help us.
  • 14:46 I know that God will bless you as you do.
  • 14:50 David: David Dolan is on location at the famous Church of
  • 14:52 the Holy Sepulchre.
  • 14:53 Let's go there right now.
  • 14:57 Jeffrey: And now from the old city in Jerusalem,
  • 15:00 David Dolan begins his story of the beginning
  • 15:03 of the modern state of Israel.
  • 15:07 David Dolan: I'm standing in front of one of the oldest
  • 15:09 churches on earth, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre
  • 15:12 in the old city of Jerusalem.
  • 15:14 As you can see, Christians from around the world are here,
  • 15:17 visiting this site, the site that many believe Jesus was
  • 15:20 crucified, buried, rose from the dead on a little hill that's
  • 15:24 inside the church, called Golgotha.
  • 15:26 The Emperor Hadrian, the Roman emperor, destroyed the state of
  • 15:30 Judea in the year 135, after a Jewish revolt.
  • 15:34 The temple had already been destroyed in A.D.
  • 15:36 70, replaced by a temple to a pagan god, Jupiter.
  • 15:42 Here there was a pagan temple to the God Venus.
  • 15:46 That was deliberate because the Romans knew that Christians
  • 15:50 revered this site as some sort of a special place.
  • 15:53 A Jewish mini state remained in the land after Judea was
  • 15:56 destroyed and renamed Syria Palaestina, a name that was
  • 16:00 deliberately picked to insult the Jews because it came from
  • 16:03 their ancient enemy, the Philistines.
  • 16:05 Up in the northern Galilee, a Jewish state remained in effect.
  • 16:09 In fact, the Sanhedrin was reconstituted there.
  • 16:12 In the fourth century, the Roman Empire was divided.
  • 16:16 The eastern half was ruled by the Byzantines
  • 16:18 from Constantinople.
  • 16:19 The western half remained under Roman rule.
  • 16:22 The Byzantines fiercely persecuted the Jews here in the
  • 16:25 land, and many of them fled to the east
  • 16:27 to Mesopotamia or Babylon.
  • 16:29 Yet some Jewish communities remained and, in fact, the
  • 16:32 records show, in the sixth century, there were 43 Jewish
  • 16:35 communities remaining.
  • 16:37 The Roman Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity
  • 16:40 in the fourth century.
  • 16:41 The temple that was here to Venus was destroyed by his
  • 16:45 mother Queen Helena, who came by to find Christian holy sites
  • 16:49 in this land.
  • 16:50 The Church of the Holy Sepulchre that you see behind me has six
  • 16:54 denominations operating in it, the Greek Orthodox Church, which
  • 16:58 was based in Constantinople, but that became Istanbul.
  • 17:01 The Roman Catholic Church is there.
  • 17:03 Armenian Orthodox Christians also were there.
  • 17:06 The Syrian Orthodox Church operates there, the Egyptian
  • 17:09 Coptic Church, and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
  • 17:12 It's not always easy for these different denominations to be
  • 17:15 together in this building, and there are some clashes.
  • 17:19 ♪♪♪
  • 17:21 [chanting]
  • 17:30 David: In the year 614, the Persians invaded the land.
  • 17:33 They damaged the church, but they weren't there very long.
  • 17:36 In 630, the Byzantines recaptured it, but just a few
  • 17:40 years after that, in 638, a new religion, Islam, sent its forces
  • 17:44 up to this land.
  • 17:46 Behind me, you see the Tower of David.
  • 17:48 That was a mosque minaret.
  • 17:50 It's gone between Christian, Jewish,
  • 17:53 and Muslim rule over the centuries.
  • 17:55 They also captured the Temple Mount.
  • 17:57 They began work on a magnificent shrine, the Dome of the Rock.
  • 18:00 That was finished in the year 691.
  • 18:03 The Muslims that ruled here didn't set this up as a capital.
  • 18:06 They ruled the city, but they did so from Baghdad, sometimes
  • 18:10 from Damascus, sometimes from Cairo, and the different armies
  • 18:13 from those different areas would clash here in the city often.
  • 18:17 In the year 1009, the church was destroyed by Caliph Al-Hakim.
  • 18:22 This was one of the prompts for the Crusades.
  • 18:26 The Pope in Rome said, "We must go to the Holy City.
  • 18:29 We must recapture it."
  • 18:31 And in 1096, Crusader forces landed down on the coast,
  • 18:35 capturing the city of Jerusalem in 1099,
  • 18:37 but it didn't last very long.
  • 18:39 They were defeated by the Muslim forces led by Saladin,
  • 18:43 up near the Sea of Galilee in the year 1187.
  • 18:46 Jerusalem was again under Muslim rule, and they were finally
  • 18:49 pushed out of the entire land in 1291.
  • 18:52 Meanwhile, Jews were being expelled
  • 18:54 from various European countries.
  • 18:57 The Roman Catholic Church was unhappy that they had helped the
  • 19:00 Muslims to retake the city.
  • 19:02 They were expelled from England, then from France, then from
  • 19:05 Germany, from Hungary, finally, from Spain and Portugal
  • 19:08 in 1492 and '97.
  • 19:10 The Muslims again were ruling this land.
  • 19:13 And, again, it was different Muslim groups often clashing.
  • 19:16 The Mamluks, they were based in Damascus and in Cairo.
  • 19:19 And then, in the year 1516, a new empire took control.
  • 19:24 The Turkish Ottoman Empire gained the city and the
  • 19:27 surrounding areas, and these magnificent walls that you see
  • 19:30 behind me were built by Suleiman the Magnificent.
  • 19:33 At that time, the records show there were 30 Jewish communities
  • 19:36 in the land, and the Turkish Muslims were fairly tolerant of
  • 19:40 the Jews living here.
  • 19:42 Persecution decreased, and Jewish life was thriving fairly
  • 19:45 well, but that was at the beginning.
  • 19:48 Towards the end of the Ottoman Rule, more anti-Jewish rulers
  • 19:51 emerged that persecuted the Jews, and it was a bad situation
  • 19:56 that only started to change when the European powers gained more
  • 19:59 and more influence in the 1800s.
  • 20:02 ♪♪♪
  • 20:04 Jeffrey: You know, Dave, looking behind me over here, I'm
  • 20:07 reminded of the fact that religion really has a way of
  • 20:09 inspiriting people, yes, for good and bad.
  • 20:12 What say you?
  • 20:13 David: Well, absolutely.
  • 20:15 In the historic review that I did just a bit ago, I mentioned
  • 20:19 Constantine, the Roman Emperor converting to Christianity, and
  • 20:23 his mother Queen Helena coming out here to check on the holy
  • 20:27 sites of Christianity, and as a result, churches were built, and
  • 20:31 the faith spread here.
  • 20:33 Jeffrey: An enormous investment of energy and money
  • 20:35 in people--amazing.
  • 20:36 David: It really was, and, of course, he was the emperor,
  • 20:39 so--and she was the queen mother, as it were,
  • 20:42 so they had a lot of that.
  • 20:43 But then, later on, we see the negative influence of religion,
  • 20:47 again, from Christianity to Crusades.
  • 20:50 They came down, of course, to reconquer the land for Christ,
  • 20:53 but in doing so, as you know well, killed hundreds of
  • 20:56 thousands of Jews and Muslims and others, and many of them
  • 21:00 were killed, and the Muslim rule later on had good and bad--good,
  • 21:05 in that they established some economic reforms and they--you
  • 21:10 know, the standard of living was increased for the people, but,
  • 21:12 again, there was persecution of Jews and of Christians, and the
  • 21:16 destruction of some of the earlier
  • 21:17 Christian holy sites, et cetera.
  • 21:19 Jeffrey: I mean, it's something, the nature of
  • 21:20 religious enthusiasm, for good or for bad, but it mobilizes it.
  • 21:25 It elicits energies.
  • 21:27 David: It does, and for the most part, for the good.
  • 21:30 We have several hospitals here in town that were started by
  • 21:33 Christian missionaries in the 1800s.
  • 21:35 We're right next to the Augusta Victoria one
  • 21:37 that German Lutherans founded.
  • 21:39 So, very positive in that sense, but, you know, this is the only
  • 21:43 spot on earth, Jeff, that's holy to three different faiths.
  • 21:46 It is unique in that way, and they don't always fit together
  • 21:49 so well, and even the different groups inside of the faiths.
  • 21:53 The different denominations in Judaism and Christianity, they
  • 21:56 clash at times.
  • 21:57 Jeffrey: Listen, the groups inside of the churches go at it.
  • 21:59 Last night, I was speaking to two Catholic priests that were
  • 22:01 just chagrinned about how the way the monks are fighting
  • 22:03 in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
  • 22:05 Go figure.
  • 22:06 They thought it was an embarrassment, and I agree.
  • 22:09 David: I've actually witnessed it out in Bethlehem,
  • 22:11 where they had broom handles and they were attacking each other,
  • 22:14 and this was because one group, I think, the Armenians, were
  • 22:18 cleaning a certain wall that the Greek Orthodox said was their
  • 22:20 wall, and they should clean it, so the issues
  • 22:22 were even just tiny.
  • 22:24 Jeffrey: Right, those stories are legion.
  • 22:25 So as you noted that religion--and there are plenty
  • 22:30 of examples--has a way of eliciting energies, but then
  • 22:33 there's something else beside religion that's related to it.
  • 22:36 It's the voice of God, and our story here began with Abraham
  • 22:42 and, just, the biblical drama of individuals hearing God and
  • 22:48 responding and going on a journey.
  • 22:50 It takes them to interesting places, doesn't it?
  • 22:52 Last word's yours.
  • 22:53 David: It absolutely does, and if there wasn't God, it
  • 22:55 would be a mess, but there is a God, and he has it all
  • 22:57 in his hands.
  • 22:58 Jeffrey: Yes, so somehow, all these tensions get resolved as
  • 23:02 the voice of God leads us on in triumph.
  • 23:07 Kirsten: You and David in one of the last segments, you guys
  • 23:10 were on the Mount Olives and were talking about the land.
  • 23:12 That is kind of prime real estate--isn't it?--in Jerusalem?
  • 23:16 Jeffrey: Yes, especially cemetery real estate.
  • 23:18 Kirsten: It is. Jeffrey: True story.
  • 23:19 Barri--I'll mention her--this past week,
  • 23:21 went and bought some funeral plots for us.
  • 23:23 Zola said you should never buy funeral plots.
  • 23:26 You should just see if they can rent them to you 'cause we're
  • 23:28 gonna be resurrected from it.
  • 23:30 Kirsten: Well, you were standing there, and on the Mount
  • 23:32 of Olives, we noticed all these tombs.
  • 23:34 What is the history of that?
  • 23:36 Jeffrey: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
  • 23:37 Well, it's box office seats to the greatest show on earth, you
  • 23:41 know, to be buried there, opposite the temple complex,
  • 23:45 when the eschaton, when prophecy is fulfilled and to be
  • 23:49 resurrected from there.
  • 23:51 It's all staged in the anticipation of that event.
  • 23:55 "T'chiyat hameitim," in Hebrew, the resurrection of the dead,
  • 23:59 isn't just a cardinal Christian doctrine.
  • 24:01 Jews believe in it, and they're being buried there
  • 24:03 in order to get a front-row seat to it.
  • 24:05 Kirsten: It's a fascinating place, isn't it--
  • 24:07 David: It is.
  • 24:08 Kirsten: --the Mount of Olives, when we go there on
  • 24:09 tour, to see these massive tombs,
  • 24:11 and they're not in the ground.
  • 24:13 They're just right above the ground.
  • 24:14 They were ready to go.
  • 24:15 Jeffrey: Speaking of one, there's a church we looked at,
  • 24:17 in this program, that designed around a tomb, yes?
  • 24:20 Kirsten: Okay, what do you think?
  • 24:22 There's two places.
  • 24:23 There's the Garden Tomb, and then there's
  • 24:25 Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
  • 24:26 In your opinion, do we even do that?
  • 24:29 What's the authentic site?
  • 24:32 Or can we find the authentic site?
  • 24:33 Jeffrey: Well, we can--we like--I know, when you do tours,
  • 24:36 take people to both.
  • 24:37 David: We do.
  • 24:38 Jeffrey: Going back to the fourth century, Helena,
  • 24:42 Constantine's mom, visited the land, and early Christians took
  • 24:46 her to the site, and she then began the development
  • 24:49 of a church around it.
  • 24:50 Actually, a number of churches sprung up in response
  • 24:53 to her early tour.
  • 24:54 So there's a story that goes back millennia to that site, and
  • 25:00 Christians have made pilgrimages there.
  • 25:03 And, of course, when people go there today, it shows all of
  • 25:06 that Medieval, you know, the castle churches, which doesn't
  • 25:12 speak to the sensibilities of individuals with a Christian
  • 25:15 persuasion that's less ornate, given to incense
  • 25:18 and the architecture.
  • 25:20 Simply, they would prefer the Garden Tomb the more so, and
  • 25:24 there's an argument for the Garden Tomb spot.
  • 25:26 It's simple.
  • 25:28 There's a story there.
  • 25:29 There's a story of the Sepulchre.
  • 25:30 I say, let people make up their own mind.
  • 25:32 We just like showing both.
  • 25:33 Kirsten: It's still fascinating.
  • 25:34 Jeffrey: And it's still an empty tomb, by the way,
  • 25:36 either way, yeah.
  • 25:37 Kirsten: That's-- that's the most important thing.
  • 25:39 "Where" doesn't really matter.
  • 25:40 "That it's empty," does matter.
  • 25:42 Jeffrey: It's an empty tomb.
  • 25:43 David: So much more about this beautiful land of Israel
  • 25:45 that we love so much, but right now, we end with a song
  • 25:49 from Esther and also--
  • 25:51 Jeffrey: A word from the Scripture,
  • 25:53 Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalayim.
  • 25:56 Kirsten: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
  • 25:59 ♪♪♪
  • 26:05 [singing in Hebrew]
  • 26:23 ♪♪♪
  • 27:36 ♪♪♪
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Episodes in this series

  1. The Land Promised
  2. Promised to the Next Generation
  3. To All Generations
  4. Entering the Promised Land
  5. Fighting for the Promised Land
  6. Promised Forever
  7. Jesus and the Promised Land
  8. Israel Fulfilling Prophecy

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