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Episode: “At Ai”
Disobedience after the victory at Jericho leads to Israel losing the second battle in conquering Canaan. In spite of failure and disappointment, Joshua shows leadership by following God’s instructions to learn from the past and focus on the future that God has planned for Israel.
Series: “Joshua”
More than a Conqueror
In this series we examine how Joshua went from a dependable apprentice to the faithful leader of Israel during the conquering of the land of Canaan, a land promised by God to the children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Many valuable leadership lessons can be learned from Joshua’s story taught by Dr. Jeffrey Seif from corresponding locations in Israel. David and Kirsten Hart discuss the meaning and application with Dr. Seif as we see dramatic reenactments of some of the key moments in Joshua’s life.

Caption transcript for Joshua: “At Ai” (5/8)

  • 00:01 ♪♪♪
  • 00:03 male announcer: Welcome to "Our Jewish Roots" with
  • 00:05 insightful Bible teaching from Israel with Dr. Jeffrey Seif.
  • 00:09 This week, we see how disobedience led to defeat
  • 00:13 on "Joshua: More Than a Conqueror."
  • 00:18 ♪♪♪
  • 00:28 ♪♪♪
  • 00:39 ♪♪♪
  • 00:46 ♪♪♪
  • 00:55 David Hart: Welcome to "Our Jewish Roots."
  • 00:57 I'm David Hart.
  • 00:58 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
  • 01:00 Jeffrey Seif: And I am Jeffrey Seif and we are over
  • 01:03 halfway through with our series, yes?
  • 01:05 Kirsten: It's a good one. We're learning so much.
  • 01:07 Thank you.
  • 01:09 Jeffrey: Well, thank the good Lord.
  • 01:10 You know, I probably shouldn't even say it as "our series."
  • 01:13 Ministers talk about "their messages,"
  • 01:16 authors talk about "their books."
  • 01:19 Bible teachers should just talk about "this story,"
  • 01:22 that is to say the story on the menu today
  • 01:24 isn't our story, it's not even our series.
  • 01:26 It's a biblical story and there's some gory
  • 01:29 in today's story, yes?
  • 01:31 Kirsten: But it is our roots. I mean, it's our Jewish roots.
  • 01:34 We are to learn--be inspired but also learn and today we
  • 01:39 are learning about one man's greed and disobedience, how
  • 01:43 it affected everybody else.
  • 01:45 Jeffrey: Yeah, it's a bad story.
  • 01:46 David: Yup, Dr. Seif will be teaching on location
  • 01:48 in Israel but right now let's go to Joshua's story
  • 01:51 of unexpected loss on the battlefield.
  • 01:55 ♪♪♪
  • 01:59 Joshua: Jericho was a miracle but why?
  • 02:03 Why did Achan have to stay in the memories of victory
  • 02:07 by hoarding all that silver and gold?
  • 02:11 Adonai, you are forgiving in our succeeding loss
  • 02:15 at the city of Ai.
  • 02:17 A lesson learned but I grieve. I so grieve the loss of my men.
  • 02:28 ♪♪♪
  • 02:36 male: Sir, our loss at Ai was not your fault.
  • 02:40 You rent that cloak because Achan coveted
  • 02:42 the plunder of Jericho.
  • 02:45 Joshua: But I'll never forget 36 men lost forever
  • 02:54 because of greed.
  • 02:57 The Lord gave us Jericho but he never ever said
  • 03:01 that we could keep the bounty.
  • 03:03 It belonged to the Lord, all of it.
  • 03:07 And the city of Ai would have been ours as well,
  • 03:09 if not for the simple plunder of Achan.
  • 03:14 Let this be a reminder. May it never happen again.
  • 03:19 male: There are only 3000 in that city.
  • 03:21 We should have taken it easily.
  • 03:24 Joshua: If, and only if, the Lord is well pleased
  • 03:28 with our efforts.
  • 03:30 "It is not by might," says the Lord.
  • 03:34 Come.
  • 03:44 We can still take the city of Ai.
  • 03:47 Sit.
  • 03:49 Let me show you what God has told me.
  • 03:52 We are here, Ai is here.
  • 03:55 You will lead your men to the back of the city at night to
  • 03:58 this side of Bethel and wait until I summon you.
  • 04:02 male: And you, sir?
  • 04:04 Joshua: I will lead my men the following day north
  • 04:07 and will camp here.
  • 04:09 In the morning, my men will set up in the valley across from the
  • 04:13 city, whereupon the men of Ai will see us and pursue us.
  • 04:20 male: An ambush.
  • 04:22 The city will be left vacant, unarmed.
  • 04:24 Joshua: Yes, but you will not besiege the city until
  • 04:27 I turn and raise my spear.
  • 04:30 Then you will set the city on fire.
  • 04:33 They will see the smoke ascending, then my men and I,
  • 04:39 we will attack the confused lot, utterly destroying them.
  • 04:45 male: Magnificent plan, sir. The battle is ours.
  • 04:49 Joshua: Learn this lesson: the plan is not mine
  • 04:52 and it is not yours.
  • 04:54 The battle is the Lord's.
  • 05:00 Jeffrey: It's been a miraculous journey.
  • 05:03 The Jordan River has dried up to facilitate its crossing, the
  • 05:07 mighty walls of Jericho have fallen down and now,
  • 05:10 with heaven-sent cunning, Joshua leads his men
  • 05:14 to yet another victory at the city of Ai.
  • 05:19 Jeffrey: Ai went up in flames, finally.
  • 05:24 Israel got burned beforehand, however, and in another sense,
  • 05:27 and we're gonna tell that story here today.
  • 05:30 It's a tragic story, actually.
  • 05:33 Victory's one thing, defeat's another.
  • 05:35 In the Bible we get a little bit of both.
  • 05:38 Actually, in the Scripture if you look at the miraculous
  • 05:42 victories so far: the parting of the sea, the Jordan,
  • 05:46 the Israelites crossing through.
  • 05:48 Yes, that's 17 verses for that.
  • 05:51 If you look at the miracle in the war at Jericho,
  • 05:55 a sum total of 27 verses for that.
  • 05:59 The battle of Ai, a small city, it shouldn't have taken much.
  • 06:05 It was a tragedy.
  • 06:06 Eighty-one verses by my reckoning for that
  • 06:11 in the Hebrew Bible.
  • 06:13 Why is it that something that went horribly wrong initially,
  • 06:18 that should have been relatively easy, why does the text
  • 06:22 give so much attention to that?
  • 06:25 I wanna look at that because there's a lesson to be
  • 06:28 learned from that, in my opinion.
  • 06:30 And I think that Joshua wants us to know that lesson because
  • 06:34 there's so much spent on a world that went bad.
  • 06:39 But first, however, you look at the end of chapter 6 in
  • 06:44 the book of Joshua, it ends on a good note:
  • 06:47 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 06:50 "And the Lord was with Joshua," and so it seemed, obviously
  • 06:55 after a great miracle, we're told,
  • 06:58 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 07:01 "and his fame spread throughout the land."
  • 07:05 It ends on a very good note and then pivots.
  • 07:08 By the time we get to chapter 7 we leave a triumph
  • 07:13 and we go to a tragedy.
  • 07:16 It should have been an easy victory.
  • 07:18 The literature tells us it didn't take much.
  • 07:21 The next stop on the train was a city called Ai, a small town.
  • 07:25 Dispatch a small group for all intents and purposes.
  • 07:29 Should have been easy, but it went bad
  • 07:32 and people wondered why.
  • 07:35 Why failure? Why does it happen?
  • 07:38 Well, we're told in verse 1:
  • 07:40 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 07:45 We're told, "The children of Israel committed a trespass
  • 07:50 concerning the devoted thing."
  • 07:53 Want to explore that for two reasons: number one,
  • 07:55 what's the devoted thing?
  • 07:57 That is that the spoils of war were not to go to the people
  • 08:02 who were enacting the war, that it was to be
  • 08:05 wholly devoted over to God.
  • 08:08 The other thing that's interesting, it says,
  • 08:10 "The children of Israel committed a trespass."
  • 08:13 But not really.
  • 08:15 I say that because when you read on:
  • 08:17 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 08:19 "And took Achan of the devoted thing--"
  • 08:22 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 08:24 As it goes on to say after listing his lineage.
  • 08:27 It's interesting there was one man that sinned but tragically,
  • 08:31 they all were held to be culpable for it.
  • 08:36 That is to say they went to war.
  • 08:39 They weren't supposed to take plunder.
  • 08:40 They weren't supposed to take spoils of war, booty.
  • 08:43 They weren't to have it. This is a religious issue.
  • 08:46 It's not to be--this isn't an opportunity
  • 08:48 for self-aggrandizement.
  • 08:50 It's not a time for self-gain.
  • 08:52 But he saw some loot and he took it and he seized it, contrary to
  • 08:56 the command, contrary to what he was told, and this caused
  • 09:01 a great loss for the Hebrews.
  • 09:06 The rabbis, out of this, look at what's referred
  • 09:10 to as collective responsibility: one man sins, as I'd said,
  • 09:14 they all pay the price.
  • 09:16 And in the Jewish world, this carries on in modernity too.
  • 09:20 It's understood that every Hebrew carries the name.
  • 09:24 Everyone's an ambassador of the people.
  • 09:28 I liken it to, you know, if someone has a plumber and it's
  • 09:31 a bad plumber, rips people off, so they'll say, "Listen,
  • 09:34 we'll never call that plumber again."
  • 09:36 But if the plumber's wearing a yarmulke, if he's a Hebrew, and
  • 09:39 he rips the people off, doesn't do a good job, people say,
  • 09:42 "Ah, those Jews."
  • 09:44 There's a sense in which he represents everyone
  • 09:47 and that certainly is the case here.
  • 09:51 The imperative for individuals to live virtuous lives,
  • 09:56 to keep their word, that sterling virtue, the more so
  • 10:02 in antiquity, was inculcated into the younger generation.
  • 10:07 There was a premium when acting righteously, to be righteous,
  • 10:11 didn't mean just to go to church on Sundays
  • 10:14 or a synagogue on Saturday.
  • 10:16 To be righteous meant to live with sterling character,
  • 10:20 that is to say above reproach.
  • 10:23 That is to say following instruction.
  • 10:26 And in this case here, don't seize that
  • 10:29 which doesn't belong to you.
  • 10:32 It comes in different forms: robbery, you're taking it from a
  • 10:35 person; theft, you're taking it from an outside property;
  • 10:39 robbery, you're taking it off of a person; burglary, you're
  • 10:42 taking it from inside of a dwelling, I should say.
  • 10:44 There's different ways in the penal code in America
  • 10:48 that we speak of seizure.
  • 10:50 It's interesting in the Hebrew Bible where the whole notion
  • 10:54 of theft, taking what doesn't belong to you,
  • 10:58 is--it's egregious in so many ways and so it is.
  • 11:03 The battle of Ai which should have been an easy picking,
  • 11:07 it turned out bad.
  • 11:08 The Hebrews were defeated decisively.
  • 11:11 Later, they're gonna regroup, learn the lesson.
  • 11:15 It's gonna be noted in the text, the problem was Achan.
  • 11:18 That's gonna be dealt with and then we'll go on to good
  • 11:21 success, a story that we'll look at in the next segment
  • 11:25 as we look at being more than a conqueror.
  • 11:30 ♪♪♪
  • 11:38 announcer: Our resource this week: the series,
  • 11:40 "Joshua: More Than a Conqueror," on DVD.
  • 11:43 This eight-program series reveals how Joshua went from spy
  • 11:47 to Moses's apprentice and then became the faithful leader
  • 11:50 of the Israelites during the conquest of the land of Canaan.
  • 11:54 With dramatic reenactments, Bible teaching from Dr. Seif,
  • 11:57 insight from Chaim Malespin, music, and much more.
  • 12:01 Contact us and ask for your copy of the DVD series,
  • 12:05 "Joshua: More Than a Conqueror."
  • 12:08 announcer: For many, a trip to the Holy Land
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  • 12:39 Kirsten: We've heard so many people say that they were
  • 12:41 waiting for a sign to know that they should go to Israel like
  • 12:45 some big sign would come down from the heavens.
  • 12:48 But I wanna tell you right now you watching us
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  • 12:58 There's no place like it.
  • 13:00 We host tours two times a year, in the fall and in the spring.
  • 13:04 And in the fall you can go to Greece, take a Greek cruise, and
  • 13:08 both tours you can add on an extension to Petra in Jordan.
  • 13:12 Fantastic tours, we'd love for you to go with us.
  • 13:15 David: Yes, also we love bringing you our dramatic
  • 13:17 reenactments each week, Dr. Seif's teaching in Israel.
  • 13:21 We could not do that without your support so we just wanna
  • 13:24 say thank you so much.
  • 13:25 Right now, let's go to Dr. Seif in Israel as he teaches
  • 13:29 in Joshua chapter 7.
  • 13:34 Jeffrey: After Achan was found out, he was summarily executed.
  • 13:38 And with that lesson learned and that issue tended to, then
  • 13:43 the children of Israel again commenced with the taking of Ai.
  • 13:48 And there's a kind of genius in this too.
  • 13:51 It lacks the miraculous component that we saw with
  • 13:56 the crossing of the Jordan earlier and we saw with Jericho.
  • 14:00 There, it's clear there's divine agency at play.
  • 14:04 Here, you have the angel of the Lord still going before
  • 14:07 the people of the Lord but it really manifests with
  • 14:11 a kind of creative genius, a strategy.
  • 14:15 The name of the game is to get these from Ai outside
  • 14:18 of the city so Joshua kind of plays the hand.
  • 14:23 He strategizes to secure their departure.
  • 14:29 They had already defeated the Hebrews so there's a frontal
  • 14:32 assault where the Hebrews retreat and those in Ai
  • 14:36 come out of the city to go get 'em.
  • 14:38 Meanwhile, there were others sat in ambush
  • 14:41 and when the city's vacated, they torch the city.
  • 14:44 They burn the city.
  • 14:47 The people look back and they realize they've been had and
  • 14:50 now they're squeezed in both directions where the net result
  • 14:54 is there is a decisive victory at Ai and then the king of Ai,
  • 14:59 who survives the battle, is executed afterward.
  • 15:01 Now, I don't want to glory in anybody's death.
  • 15:05 That's not the point here.
  • 15:07 And I don't even think it's the point of the story at Ai
  • 15:09 because it's bookended by a religious principle
  • 15:14 more so than it is a military victory.
  • 15:19 I mention that because in the first segment and then
  • 15:22 I developed it a little more here just at the start,
  • 15:25 there was a problem with Achan who disobeyed,
  • 15:30 and the disobedience cost him and Israel dearly.
  • 15:36 That issue was tended to then and the Hebrews
  • 15:39 enjoy good success.
  • 15:41 And again in this series, we're looking at being
  • 15:43 more than a conqueror.
  • 15:45 Well, maybe there's a correlation
  • 15:46 between success and compliance.
  • 15:49 It seems to be the case because before we get out of this story,
  • 15:53 the appendage to it in the 8th chapter, it's interesting.
  • 15:59 In verse 30 I wanna look at it and then pivot to 32 'cause
  • 16:03 there's something here that is very important.
  • 16:05 We're told in the Hebrew Bible:
  • 16:07 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 16:11 That is, "After this," we're told that "Joshua
  • 16:14 built an altar to the Lord."
  • 16:17 We saw fire to begin with and I'm sitting behind
  • 16:19 one now but here, in this--
  • 16:21 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 16:23 Is built an altar.
  • 16:24 And then we're told in verse 32:
  • 16:27 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 16:33 And there's an altar that's built and on it he'll
  • 16:37 write the mission, the Torah.
  • 16:41 Now, the rabbis say, you know, what are we looking at here?
  • 16:44 Are we looking at just the Ten Commandments?
  • 16:46 Some say that.
  • 16:47 Some say the 613 commandments. Some say the whole of the Torah.
  • 16:54 There are these stones that are taken and carved out,
  • 16:56 some say miraculously.
  • 16:58 The point is, is after the battle, "acharei mot,"
  • 17:02 after the death, then you have the publishing of the Torah.
  • 17:08 And the point is there's a kind of insistence that
  • 17:12 obeying Torah takes precedence.
  • 17:16 We're told in English that "he wrote there upon the stones
  • 17:19 a copy of the law of Moses--"
  • 17:23 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 17:26 "That he wrote before or in the face of all
  • 17:30 the children of Israel."
  • 17:33 There's two compliance stories here that I think the author
  • 17:38 wants us to understand to be a secret to success.
  • 17:42 There's a correlation between obedience and success in life,
  • 17:47 obeying the command.
  • 17:50 You hear in Scripture: "Shema Yisrael,"
  • 17:52 "Hear, O Israel."
  • 17:54 And it's said over and over again.
  • 17:57 And for that matter, Jesus, Yeshua's on record over and
  • 18:00 again saying, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
  • 18:04 Of course, people have ears and the eardrums vibrate.
  • 18:07 They hear but they don't really hear.
  • 18:11 But the rabbis say that hearing isn't just good enough.
  • 18:13 Hear it that you may do it, that you may observe it.
  • 18:18 There's the next step.
  • 18:19 You have to begin by hearing and then doing,
  • 18:23 and the doing translates into success in life.
  • 18:28 That is to say, follow the divine instruction.
  • 18:33 [speaking in Hebrew]
  • 18:35 Solomon, the king of Israel, is said to have put together
  • 18:38 a collection of short, pithy wisdom sayings.
  • 18:43 There's a genre, a type of literature, a sappy
  • 18:46 interliterature, wisdom literature.
  • 18:49 You look at Proverbs, Ecclesiastes.
  • 18:52 It's an example of wisdom literature, and it starts off:
  • 18:56 "Hear, my son, your father's instruction.
  • 19:01 Obey your mother's teaching."
  • 19:03 And here's the heavenly Father and it's all
  • 19:06 commended in the biblical text.
  • 19:09 There's an imperative to hear the command.
  • 19:13 And, by the way, to that end, that's why attending a house of
  • 19:16 worship's important and what's important in that house of
  • 19:20 worship is a minister that opens up the Word and people can hear
  • 19:24 them and they're commended to the mind's eye of constituents.
  • 19:29 And why is that?
  • 19:30 Because there really is a correlation when it comes to
  • 19:34 success in life between hearing the divine command and doing it.
  • 19:40 Good things can happen, not just to the Jew as
  • 19:44 in the case of this conquest at Ai.
  • 19:46 Not just to the--not just to the people like me but people like
  • 19:51 you, all of us, when we hear, when we do, like Joshua then,
  • 19:57 we can be more than conquerors.
  • 20:03 Jeffrey: Chaim Malespin is an officer with the Israeli Defense
  • 20:06 Forces and I had an opportunity to sit down and talk to him
  • 20:09 about being more than a conqueror.
  • 20:11 Here, particularly, he gave voice to the importance
  • 20:13 of learning to strategically think outside of the box.
  • 20:19 Jeffrey: Serge, good to be with you today.
  • 20:20 Thank you for being here.
  • 20:22 Chaim Malespin: Thank you for having me.
  • 20:23 Jeffrey: A question: the battle of Ai, very, very strategic.
  • 20:27 I mean, it seems to me there is a leader of the Israeli
  • 20:30 Defense Forces that's thinking outside of the box.
  • 20:33 There's genius there.
  • 20:35 How much of an emphasis is placed on strategy
  • 20:37 in military today?
  • 20:40 Chaim: Absolutely there is.
  • 20:42 And there's also this thinking outside the box and solving
  • 20:44 problems, even doing something that might seem like not the
  • 20:48 conventional way, such as in October 17, 1973, Yom Kippur
  • 20:52 War, I remember down in the Sinai Peninsula, the Suez Canal,
  • 20:56 they said, "Let's do a water bridge that floats on
  • 20:59 the water and drive the tanks across and let us
  • 21:01 surround the third army of the Egyptians."
  • 21:03 And everyone thought, "That's--how's that gonna
  • 21:05 ever work?"
  • 21:06 But we did.
  • 21:08 We carried that out and that helped us win the entire
  • 21:09 Sinai Peninsula and--which we then later gave back.
  • 21:12 But it's thinking outside the box.
  • 21:14 Jeffrey: Yeah, strategy and a little bit of chutzpah, yes?
  • 21:16 Chaim: Precisely.
  • 21:17 Jeffrey: Now, I wanna pivot from that because we're watching
  • 21:20 this program, people are watching it, and they need
  • 21:22 biblical medicine for their life's assorted hurts.
  • 21:26 Would people do well to learn to think outside of the box,
  • 21:30 to get some creative solutions, and move forward with those?
  • 21:33 Chaim: Well, absolutely; and I think a lesson from the
  • 21:36 Bible is when you trust in your commander, he's our commander,
  • 21:39 of course, Yeshua is our friend, our Savior,
  • 21:42 but he's also our commander.
  • 21:43 And when something is said, we have to say, "I will see
  • 21:45 this mission through and I will trust the orders
  • 21:47 that I've been given from above."
  • 21:49 And I love how Orde Windgate--this man,
  • 21:51 he's a Christian man.
  • 21:53 You'd think, "Why would he care about training the IDF?"
  • 21:55 He started when it was the Irgun, the Palmach,
  • 21:57 the Lehi, and the Haganah.
  • 21:58 And he trained these people even against the
  • 22:01 British Army orders sometimes.
  • 22:03 Would train these guys and he actually was in En Harod, which
  • 22:06 is Gideon Spring, and he got so inspired by how these biblical
  • 22:09 characters were able to go and advance and take ground
  • 22:15 and see the mission to successful fruition.
  • 22:17 Jeffrey: People have to learn to think strategically, yes,
  • 22:20 and it's great to be around strategic thinkers.
  • 22:23 Chaim: It is. They're inspirational.
  • 22:24 To this day, I'm close friends with some of those
  • 22:26 commanders of mine in the army.
  • 22:29 Jeffrey: We're looking to get some of that inspiration
  • 22:31 and some of that strategic thinking in Joshua.
  • 22:33 Thank you for helping us pin some things down today.
  • 22:36 Chaim: Thank you for having me.
  • 22:39 ♪♪♪
  • 22:44 ♪ A land of milk and honey, ♪
  • 22:46 ♪ a land to call your own. ♪
  • 22:48 ♪ I give to you my promise, ♪
  • 22:50 ♪ I give to you my own. ♪
  • 22:52 ♪ And these are my commandments, ♪
  • 22:54 ♪ I give to you this day. ♪
  • 22:56 ♪ The Lord thy God commands you ♪
  • 22:58 ♪ to follow in his way. ♪
  • 23:00 ♪♪♪
  • 23:04 ♪ His everlasting promise, ♪
  • 23:06 ♪ his promise cannot fail. ♪
  • 23:11 ♪ The people of the Torah, ♪
  • 23:14 ♪ the people of the Word. ♪
  • 23:16 ♪ The kingdom of the prophets, ♪
  • 23:18 ♪ the kingdom of the Lord. ♪
  • 23:20 ♪ A Promised Land that's holy, ♪
  • 23:22 ♪ a Promised Land that's true. ♪
  • 23:24 ♪ The land I gave to Abram, ♪
  • 23:26 ♪ that land I give to you. ♪
  • 23:28 ♪♪♪
  • 23:32 ♪ His everlasting promise, ♪
  • 23:34 ♪ his promise cannot fail. ♪
  • 23:36 ♪♪♪
  • 23:40 ♪ His everlasting promise, ♪
  • 23:42 ♪ his promise cannot fail. ♪
  • 23:47 ♪♪♪
  • 23:49 David: That is music from our founder, Zola Levitt.
  • 23:51 And also, Dr. Seif, you sat down with Chaim Malespin.
  • 23:55 We love spending time with him. He's a brother.
  • 23:57 Jeffrey: Yes, and a soldier, and he made some great points too
  • 24:00 that really dovetail with the story today and that is that
  • 24:04 you can see Joshua getting plans that are strategic in nature
  • 24:09 and that not only is important in battles long ago.
  • 24:13 Similarly, Chaim gives voice to strategic thinking and planning
  • 24:20 that goes behind the Israeli Defense Forces today.
  • 24:24 Sometimes we just get stuck in a way of thinking and being but
  • 24:28 we need to step back and think outside of the box, get a little
  • 24:32 creative and move forward based on new ways of thinking.
  • 24:36 I mean, we need to do it in our life.
  • 24:38 There was a feeling that we needed to do that
  • 24:40 in our ministry, in fact.
  • 24:42 If anybody that calls "Zola Levitt Presents" calls "Our
  • 24:46 Jewish Roots" it's the same people that answer the phone.
  • 24:49 The mail goes to the same place, it's the same set, but God
  • 24:52 blessed Zola went on to his reward over a decade ago.
  • 24:54 We thought we needed to be a little more strategic.
  • 24:57 Zola Levitt was all about presenting our Jewish roots so
  • 25:01 let's go with the message, even in the absence of the messenger.
  • 25:04 It's something strategic but necessary in order to advance
  • 25:08 in the new economy, yes?
  • 25:10 David: I was gonna say many of us watching today, and I can
  • 25:12 relate to this, we haven't been a soldier, our son has,
  • 25:16 but how can we relate to this story with Joshua
  • 25:19 as we haven't been in the military?
  • 25:22 Jeffrey: Well, I haven't been a soldier either, but I have
  • 25:25 a career in law enforcement serving on the streets as
  • 25:27 a patrol sergeant and in command at a police academy.
  • 25:30 And I don't wanna overstate that.
  • 25:32 I haven't been off in a battlefield, save
  • 25:34 for the urban jungle itself.
  • 25:36 While it's true if someone has those experiences, they can
  • 25:39 relate to military stories, but life's a struggle at the end of
  • 25:42 the day for all of us and we all have bad circumstances
  • 25:46 to overcome, difficult people to overcome, and if God has
  • 25:50 a call on our life, hell has an assignment against us,
  • 25:53 we all have an adversary at the end of the day.
  • 25:55 David: I'm sorry to say this but it happens even in the church
  • 25:59 that we have to go through some battles once in a while.
  • 26:01 Jeffrey: Because a church is constituted with people.
  • 26:03 Once I told a chief of police complaining about an officer,
  • 26:06 "If you want perfection, if Jesus Christ wants to come
  • 26:08 and wear your uniform you're good to go.
  • 26:10 Other than that, all you have are mortals."
  • 26:12 Kirsten: Well, on mortals, it's mortals that have done
  • 26:17 something wrong that God said, "Do not take plunder."
  • 26:20 He took plunder, he was disobedient, he tried
  • 26:23 to hide it, and it affected everyone.
  • 26:27 That's my personal takeaway from this.
  • 26:29 We don't think it affects other people.
  • 26:31 Jeffrey: That notion of collective responsibility,
  • 26:33 I mean, what people do, there are certain sins.
  • 26:36 You know, someone committing--can commit
  • 26:38 adultery and God will forgive with repentance.
  • 26:40 It doesn't mean your children will.
  • 26:42 At the end of the day, there are consequences to actions.
  • 26:45 Happily, with the good news we all, however, have
  • 26:48 the opportunity to press a reset button and
  • 26:50 that's good news for all of us.
  • 26:53 Kirsten: It is.
  • 26:55 Jeffrey: [sighing] It's all over; what a story.
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Episodes in this series

  1. At Sinai
  2. The Spy
  3. At the Jordan
  4. At Jericho
  5. At Ai
  6. The Gibeonites
  7. At Shiloh
  8. At the End

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