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Episode: “The Great White Throne of Judgment”
We see the wicked doomed to eternal separation from God as Zola teaches about this last and final judgment.
Series: “Thy Kingdom Come (2018)”
The Future of Believers
Originally produced in 2001 and now refreshed with improved sound and picture quality, each of the 12 programs of Thy Kingdom Come searches Bible prophecy to reveal the glorious future events awaiting all Believers in Messiah. In the studio, David and Kirsten Hart introduce Zola Levitt’s timeless, on-location teachings and his original music, with analysis from senior theologian, Dr. Jeffrey Seif.

Caption transcript for Thy Kingdom Come (2018): “The Great White Throne of Judgment” (10/12)

  • 00:01 Kirsten Hart: God so loved the world, yet a time of judgment
  • 00:05 is coming. Find out more about that today on "Zola Levitt Presents."
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  • 00:14 male announcer: "Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God
  • 00:17 for Israel is that they might be saved.
  • 00:21 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek:
  • 00:23 for the same Lord over all is rich unto all
  • 00:26 that call upon him."
  • 00:29 "Zola Levitt Presents."
  • 00:32 ♪♪♪
  • 00:42 ♪♪♪
  • 00:45 David Hart: Hi, I'm David Hart.
  • 00:46 Welcome to "Zola Levitt Presents."
  • 00:48 Kirsten Hart: And I'm Kirsten Hart.
  • 00:49 Jeffrey Seif: Jeffrey Seif.
  • 00:50 David: We are in our series, "Thy Kingdom Come,"
  • 00:52 which first aired in 2001 with our founder, Zola Levitt.
  • 00:56 We have Dr. Jeffrey Seif. What is your title with us?
  • 01:00 Jeffrey: Oh, something theologian.
  • 01:01 David: Senior theologian, I love that.
  • 01:03 Kirsten: That's a good title. Jeffrey: It's impressive.
  • 01:04 Kirsten: It is.
  • 01:06 Well, today Zola will be teaching on something,
  • 01:08 and a word I don't like, it's called judgment.
  • 01:10 I like a throne.
  • 01:12 I like the throne part, but I don't think I like the judgment.
  • 01:15 Should we worry?
  • 01:17 Jeffrey: Well, I think we should be concerned about judgment.
  • 01:19 I don't wanna gloss that over, but relative to thrones,
  • 01:23 you know, ancients had kings that sat on thrones,
  • 01:28 and we don't know anything about that as moderns.
  • 01:31 They did, and there was a sense of reverence and awe in having
  • 01:34 an opportunity to stand before the king who would pass some
  • 01:37 judgment, assess a citizen or a foreigner on some basis.
  • 01:41 So, one would read this ancient literature,
  • 01:43 and I think it's minded to convey the same.
  • 01:45 Zola will unpack some of it.
  • 01:47 David: That's great insight. Thank you so much for that.
  • 01:49 Right now, let's go to Zola's teaching in Israel.
  • 01:53 Zola Levitt: Well, now we're going to talk about what the
  • 01:56 whole world calls judgment day, the great white throne.
  • 02:00 Now, where to tape something about God's throne in heaven
  • 02:06 where he's gonna judge all of the people for all times,
  • 02:10 the wicked dead, we puzzled about that.
  • 02:14 Finally came to take it in trees.
  • 02:17 That is, this is a kibbutz orchard.
  • 02:20 These are similar to peach trees in America.
  • 02:23 And didn't judgment start around a tree?
  • 02:26 And remember the serpent tempted Eve, and she ate of the tree,
  • 02:29 and she gave the fruit to her favorite man.
  • 02:32 And Adam ate of the fruit, and then God said,
  • 02:35 "What did you do?"
  • 02:36 and then Adam said, "It was the woman."
  • 02:38 Not just that, "It was the woman you gave me,"
  • 02:42 the first male chauvinist excuse, I guess you'd say.
  • 02:47 And then God made a judgment and that's where judgment started.
  • 02:50 And then later on at the great white throne, we'll have dead
  • 02:55 trees, so to speak, trees without fruits,
  • 02:57 because Jesus described his disciples as,
  • 03:00 "Ye shall know them by their fruits."
  • 03:03 So, the great white throne is a place where in a way
  • 03:07 there would be no trees or the trees would be dead,
  • 03:10 all the way from the garden when the first tree,
  • 03:13 the tree of life, the tree they were supposed
  • 03:16 to avoid led to the first judgment.
  • 03:18 The Scripture in Revelation 20:11 says this,
  • 03:22 "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it,
  • 03:26 from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away;
  • 03:29 and there was found no place for them.
  • 03:31 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;
  • 03:35 and the books were opened: and another book was opened,
  • 03:38 which is the book of life: and the dead were judged
  • 03:41 out of those things which were written in the books,
  • 03:43 according to their works."
  • 03:45 The dead are judged to begin with by their works, ultimately
  • 03:49 by their faith because not one of them has faith in the
  • 03:53 Messiah, not even the dead of the Tribulation who were
  • 03:59 witnessed to by the 144,000, not the dead of the church age,
  • 04:04 or even Christ's time when he was here on earth with them,
  • 04:08 not the dead of the Old Testament who
  • 04:10 did not listen to God and do their sacrifices and so forth.
  • 04:15 And finally, verse 13, "And the sea gave up the dead
  • 04:18 which were in it; and death and hell delivered up
  • 04:20 the dead which were in them."
  • 04:23 The people in hell are the people from the beginning right
  • 04:27 up to the end of the Tribulation who died, and then were bound
  • 04:31 with Satan 1,000 years, and now they are delivered up.
  • 04:34 This is the second resurrection, the resurrection unto judgment.
  • 04:39 "And they were judged every man according to their works.
  • 04:42 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
  • 04:45 This is the second death."
  • 04:47 After the second resurrection comes the second death
  • 04:50 for the wicked.
  • 04:52 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life
  • 04:55 was cast into the lake of fire."
  • 04:58 It's a judgment from which there's no return, no pleading,
  • 05:01 mitigating circumstances, no real chance for those
  • 05:07 who have already died without faith to plead,
  • 05:10 such as plead their works,
  • 05:13 their name then is not in the book of life.
  • 05:16 There can be people who say, "I did this and I did that."
  • 05:18 We're gonna come to that, but the book of life is
  • 05:20 there as an assurance.
  • 05:23 As the Scofield Bible puts it very elegantly,
  • 05:27 "The book of life is there to answer such as plead
  • 05:29 their works for justification, an awful blank where the name
  • 05:34 might have been appears in the book of life."
  • 05:39 Romans 14 points out for us a couple of judgments actually.
  • 05:45 It talks about judgment seat of Christ, and then it says,
  • 05:48 "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee
  • 05:51 shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
  • 05:55 So then every one of us shall give account
  • 05:57 of himself to God."
  • 05:58 And that's true, the believers in the judgment seat of Christ
  • 06:00 in heaven and the unbelievers at the great white throne
  • 06:03 at the very end.
  • 06:06 You know, the theologian Meryl Lunger said to me once,
  • 06:09 "Heaven is for bad people, hell is for good people."
  • 06:12 I know I've said this in other contexts, but it's very
  • 06:14 interesting because heaven is for people so bad they would not
  • 06:18 appear before God as who they are, but they would only go
  • 06:21 with an advocate like Christ.
  • 06:23 In other words, we appear to God in the robes
  • 06:25 of righteousness of Christ.
  • 06:27 When he sees each of us, he says, "My son, come in.
  • 06:29 My son, come in."
  • 06:32 We have a gift certificate to salvation.
  • 06:36 The gift certificate is like a gift certificate on earth.
  • 06:41 You take it to the store, they give you the stuff.
  • 06:42 There's no charge. It's free.
  • 06:44 Now, it isn't really that the stuff is free,
  • 06:46 but that someone went there ahead of you and paid for it.
  • 06:49 That's our situation when we go to heaven.
  • 06:52 The people going to hell are those without an advocate.
  • 06:54 They don't go with Christ.
  • 06:56 They go on their own merits and they end up standing
  • 06:58 before God trying to present their works
  • 07:01 in a desperate attempt for salvation.
  • 07:04 Now, we talked of resurrections.
  • 07:06 There are five resurrections in Scripture.
  • 07:09 The resurrection of Christ to begin with is number one.
  • 07:12 He's the first man permanently resurrected.
  • 07:15 He was resurrected on the Day of First Fruits,
  • 07:17 that is the Sunday after Passover, what we've erroneously
  • 07:20 come to call Easter after the Babylonian goddess Ishtar.
  • 07:24 But its real name is First Fruits, and in our program
  • 07:27 about the Rapture we talked about that.
  • 07:30 But Jesus also raised others.
  • 07:33 Some came out of their graves, it says, and were walking in
  • 07:35 Jerusalem, in Matthew 27.
  • 07:37 Who were those?
  • 07:39 Well, it was the Festival of First Fruits when the farmers
  • 07:41 bring in the first fruits of their crops to the temple.
  • 07:44 Jesus who kept every law is not a farmer who raises crops,
  • 07:48 but Jesus raises people.
  • 07:50 So, he raised a few.
  • 07:51 Imagine what a powerful witness it would be to see a relative
  • 07:54 of yours you buried years before come down the street
  • 07:56 and greet you by name, perfectly alive.
  • 08:00 That's not something to which you would say,
  • 08:01 "I don't buy it."
  • 08:03 The second resurrection is the rapture of the church.
  • 08:06 The third resurrection is the saints of the Tribulation period
  • 08:09 who were beheaded for their faith.
  • 08:11 The fourth resurrection is all the Old Testament saints, gosh,
  • 08:15 from Adam all through the patriarchs, and the prophets,
  • 08:18 and all those personalities who filed their sacrifices,
  • 08:22 you might say, against the time when Christ would come,
  • 08:25 against the coming of the Messiah, to review their file.
  • 08:29 Romans 3:25, God went along with an unregenerate people
  • 08:33 until such time as the Messiah would come and forgiveness
  • 08:36 would then be dispensed.
  • 08:38 And the fifth resurrection is the one we are talking
  • 08:41 about now, the resurrection of the wicked dead.
  • 08:45 Back after this.
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  • 10:32 Right now, let's go back to Zola in Israel.
  • 10:36 Zola: When we come to this great white throne, some argue,
  • 10:39 "Well, but there's different kind of people there."
  • 10:41 There's people that were evil, yes, but there's people
  • 10:43 that were decent but didn't always know, or didn't--
  • 10:48 you know, and they will plead their works
  • 10:50 to the Lord and so on.
  • 10:51 But it does say that there are degrees of punishment,
  • 10:55 that this book of works does take into consideration
  • 10:58 different kinds of cases.
  • 11:01 There's reference, for example, in Luke 12:47,
  • 11:05 a parable of the Lord.
  • 11:06 He says, "And that servant, which knew his lord's will,
  • 11:10 but prepared not himself, neither did according
  • 11:12 to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
  • 11:15 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes,
  • 11:19 shall be beaten with few stripes.
  • 11:22 For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be
  • 11:25 much required: and to whom men have committed much,
  • 11:29 of him they will ask the more."
  • 11:31 So, God will take into consideration really
  • 11:34 good works of, how can you say, the decent dead.
  • 11:38 They are dead. They were never resurrected.
  • 11:40 They were bound with Satan the 1,000 years
  • 11:43 and now resurrected only unto judgment
  • 11:45 in the second resurrection, but they,
  • 11:48 like all groups of people, are more or less evil
  • 11:52 and the Lord does take that into consideration.
  • 11:54 They are judged as to their works.
  • 11:56 But as we said, if they try to justify their works unto
  • 12:00 salvation, that is, "I did so much for you, I really ought to
  • 12:05 be saved anyhow," then the book of life is brought out and there
  • 12:09 is a blank where the name might have been entered
  • 12:12 had they received the Lord, had they believed.
  • 12:15 And that is covered in Matthew 7:22-23,
  • 12:20 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord,
  • 12:23 have we not prophesied in thy name?
  • 12:25 and in thy name have cast out devils?
  • 12:27 and in thy name done many wonderful works?
  • 12:31 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:
  • 12:34 depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
  • 12:38 You know, in doing works in this world, let's say there
  • 12:42 are unbelievers that do decent works.
  • 12:44 The United Way is a charity equal to the Salvation Army.
  • 12:49 They do good works, they help the poor, the collect money,
  • 12:51 they dispense it properly, hopefully.
  • 12:55 Good Will is another, and so on.
  • 12:57 But you know, if you can't tell the United Way
  • 13:00 from the Salvation Army, then something's wrong
  • 13:02 with the Salvation Army.
  • 13:04 I've said this before in other contexts,
  • 13:06 but the Salvation Army's good works are done
  • 13:09 for love of the Lord.
  • 13:11 In Revelation 2 and 3 when the Lord talks to the seven
  • 13:14 churches, he criticizes one of them, Ephesus,
  • 13:18 because they lost their first love, as he says.
  • 13:21 Indeed, there were people exorcising demons in his name
  • 13:23 and so on, and they did expose false exorcists.
  • 13:26 He grants them that, but they were not doing these things for
  • 13:30 love of Christ and this is the motive of the Salvation Army.
  • 13:35 If people aren't being saved then it's mere empty works.
  • 13:39 Gosh, I spoke to the Salvation Army one time and they read
  • 13:42 my books and watched my programs for some six months
  • 13:45 before I was allowed to speak.
  • 13:47 And when I finally came and they had assured themselves
  • 13:49 the doctrine was correct, I spoke to drunks
  • 13:53 from the sidewalks, but they wanted to be sure
  • 13:57 that what I said was right.
  • 13:59 I was pleased by that.
  • 14:01 At the Pacific Garden Mission in Chicago, I was impressed
  • 14:04 by the head of the mission.
  • 14:06 People were being taken in in litters, and I said to him,
  • 14:10 "Can these people really understand the gospel
  • 14:12 when you preach here?"
  • 14:13 And he said, "Oh yes, they can. I understood it."
  • 14:16 I said, "When did you start this work?"
  • 14:18 He said, "I didn't start it.
  • 14:19 I came in here myself on a litter."
  • 14:22 So, when the good works are done for love of Christ,
  • 14:24 they result in love of Christ.
  • 14:26 They end up as fruit-bearing trees.
  • 14:29 They do not come to this great white throne judgment.
  • 14:31 They are not the dead.
  • 14:33 They are the resurrected living going on to eternity,
  • 14:35 and we're gonna talk about that next week.
  • 14:39 To recap all these different judgments,
  • 14:42 and there are some judgments in the Bible.
  • 14:45 There's, first off, the judgment of the believer's sins
  • 14:48 in the cross of Christ.
  • 14:49 We all understand that one.
  • 14:51 Then the believer's self-judgment.
  • 14:53 Paul says in 1 Corinthians 11:31,
  • 14:55 "If we judged ourselves,
  • 14:57 we would not come under judgment."
  • 14:58 Sure, if everybody took care of their own judgment,
  • 15:01 we'd all be forgiven.
  • 15:03 The judgment seat of Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:10,
  • 15:06 we must all appear when we go to heaven.
  • 15:08 The judgment of individual gentiles at the return of Christ
  • 15:11 on earth, the so-called sheep and goats judgment
  • 15:14 before the kingdom starts.
  • 15:16 The judgment of Israel at the return of Christ to earth.
  • 15:19 "As I judged your fathers in the desert of the land of Egypt,
  • 15:22 so I will judge you, declares the Sovereign Lord,"
  • 15:25 in Ezekiel 20:36-37.
  • 15:29 The judgment of the angels after the 1,000 years.
  • 15:32 And the judgment of the wicked and the dead with which
  • 15:35 the history of the present earth ends.
  • 15:37 That's the great white throne judgment
  • 15:39 we've been talking about in this program.
  • 15:41 The Lord speaks like someone who holds a rod.
  • 15:45 In fact, in Ezekiel 20:37, "I will take note of you
  • 15:48 as you pass under my rod, and bring you into
  • 15:50 the bond of the covenant."
  • 15:52 So when you see a shepherd here in Israel,
  • 15:54 they always have a long rod to guide their animals.
  • 15:58 That's an important feature of guiding sheep,
  • 16:01 and we are sheep and goats too.
  • 16:03 That is, at the Tribulation end, the people of the world will be
  • 16:06 divided into those two groups again
  • 16:08 with the rod of God Almighty.
  • 16:12 Those are all the judgments.
  • 16:14 You don't really have to know them,
  • 16:15 especially if you believe in Jesus Christ.
  • 16:19 Acts 16:31 is right to the point, "Believe on the Lord
  • 16:22 Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."
  • 16:24 That's all that's necessary here.
  • 16:27 No other actions can save you and no other thing will ever get
  • 16:34 you lost again once you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
  • 16:38 Well, there's a lot at stake, let me say it that way.
  • 16:42 The people that are judged in the various judgments and
  • 16:47 somehow fail out and come to the great white throne through one
  • 16:50 or another judgment come under Proverbs 10:30.
  • 16:55 "The righteous shall never be removed:
  • 16:57 but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth."
  • 17:01 And the reference there, unfortunately,
  • 17:03 is to the new earth, the new heaven, the new Jerusalem,
  • 17:07 the period we call eternity.
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  • 19:21 Kirsten: We are so honored, and it really is our honor
  • 19:24 to have you here as our senior theologian for the program,
  • 19:29 but you did something a few years ago that David
  • 19:32 and I have enjoyed, actually enjoyed studying,
  • 19:36 which is your Institute of Jewish-Christian Studies.
  • 19:39 David: We're going through it right now.
  • 19:40 Jeffrey: Well, thank you. I'm glad you're into it.
  • 19:42 Thousands are into it.
  • 19:44 A donor some 30-years ago, may he rest in peace,
  • 19:47 Thad Wazowatski, sent a donation to the ministry,
  • 19:50 the seed money to create that institute,
  • 19:53 and thousands and thousands all over the world
  • 19:57 have gotten a Jewish studies education through it.
  • 19:59 There is a little course in there,
  • 20:01 Israel and End Time Events.
  • 20:02 But let me turn the tables real quick.
  • 20:04 I appreciate that, but thinking of thrones,
  • 20:08 what I wanna do is look at a text
  • 20:11 and pitch it to you two as the experts,
  • 20:14 never mind you know, Jeffrey Seif, Senior Theologian.
  • 20:18 It makes me look larger than life.
  • 20:21 But I wanna look in Revelation again because certainly
  • 20:24 it's a book that's chock full of prophecy, and there's
  • 20:27 a word here in chapter 4.
  • 20:29 "Immediately," says the author, "I was in the Ruach,"
  • 20:31 or "I was in the Spirit," and he said,
  • 20:33 "Behold, a throne was standing in heaven,
  • 20:37 and One seated on that throne."
  • 20:40 But the story here isn't like the one that you had referenced
  • 20:43 and I previous at the outset of the program.
  • 20:46 Here, by way of contradistinction,
  • 20:49 it's not like, "Am I gonna have to talk to the boss
  • 20:51 and be found wanting?"
  • 20:53 This is a worship service where there's flashes of lightning,
  • 20:57 and inspiration, and people are gathering around the throne
  • 21:01 and worshiping the King who's seated on it.
  • 21:03 Now, just to set this up and then take the ball
  • 21:07 and run with it.
  • 21:08 Never mind, you know, the theologians that are full
  • 21:11 of information, music is full of inspiration, from the Latin,
  • 21:17 "inspiritus," to breathe spirit in.
  • 21:21 You guys have lives, anointings, ministries
  • 21:25 in worship and in music.
  • 21:28 Talk to me about this.
  • 21:30 Certainly you must look at this experience here
  • 21:33 and it's not just some theological,
  • 21:34 "Well, here's the Jewish roots,
  • 21:36 and here's how you connect the dots."
  • 21:38 I mean, this is an outgrowth, your life is an outgrowth--this.
  • 21:41 Talk to me. You're the experts, girl, guy.
  • 21:43 Talk to me.
  • 21:45 Kirsten: You ready, worship leader?
  • 21:46 David: You know what?
  • 21:48 Going to Israel, my whole view of worship changed where I think
  • 21:54 of him as my Father, as almost like Daddy, a best friend.
  • 22:00 But when I got to Israel, I was in awe.
  • 22:04 And just my worship changed when I got to Israel, and realized,
  • 22:10 and stood where he was crucified,
  • 22:13 where he performed miracles, and just realized how in awe
  • 22:19 I am of all that he's done for us.
  • 22:21 Jeffrey: Right, and certainly a trip to Israel will do that.
  • 22:24 Truth be known, a lot of our good viewers can't go to Israel,
  • 22:27 but they go to the book and they go to church.
  • 22:30 I mean, how do you understand it?
  • 22:33 You're not just a musician and a singer.
  • 22:35 I mean, in bringing people into God's presence
  • 22:38 to be confronted with the Lord--
  • 22:40 Kirsten: I have something. I have something.
  • 22:42 I'm with you.
  • 22:43 In church work, and that's been our whole life--
  • 22:46 David: Right.
  • 22:47 Kirsten: You grew up in a musical family.
  • 22:49 Your father was a pastor.
  • 22:50 My parents were ministers of music.
  • 22:52 I've been in the church.
  • 22:53 And I think--it talks about that veil that we--
  • 22:57 you know, we can't see through, and I see unfortunately--
  • 23:00 not all of you, but I see this almost veil
  • 23:04 over people's eyes in worship, in church now.
  • 23:08 And I think, you know, we don't get it.
  • 23:11 We'll get it there.
  • 23:13 That will be the worship service forever.
  • 23:17 We will see him as he is.
  • 23:20 Jeffrey: Okay, let's move the ball down a little further.
  • 23:23 We're talking about eschatology.
  • 23:25 At some future point in time, we'll gather around the throne,
  • 23:30 not in fear and trepidation, but in adoration, okay?
  • 23:34 And here, we're told, futuristic, where believers
  • 23:37 will be giving voice, "Worthy are you, our Lord,
  • 23:40 to receive glory, and honor, and power."
  • 23:42 You were saying, oh, what an honor it is to be with me.
  • 23:44 Never mind me, we're gonna be around the one
  • 23:46 who really gives--who's worthy of the honor.
  • 23:49 Do you see church and a worship experience in church today
  • 23:54 as a portant of things to come?
  • 23:57 That is to say that gathering, a church is an advanced colony
  • 24:01 where the King is worshiped and we do there.
  • 24:06 It's a microcosm of a future existence.
  • 24:09 What say the experts?
  • 24:10 David: My desire as a worship leader is that your worship on
  • 24:14 Sunday, or whenever you worship, is the start of your week and
  • 24:18 it's gonna help you as you go through your week with so many
  • 24:22 things that we go through in our lives: sickness,
  • 24:26 marriages breaking up, whatever it might be.
  • 24:29 But that worship that we sang on Sunday, "Holy, holy, holy
  • 24:33 is the Lord God Almighty who was, and is,
  • 24:36 and is to come," that's gotta get in our spirit.
  • 24:39 Kirsten: And one day we will be before the King of kings.
  • 24:42 That's our future and it should be--
  • 24:48 I think it should be part of what is right now,
  • 24:51 because he's there with us, right?
  • 24:53 Jeffrey: Well, here's the problem, and you tell me.
  • 24:55 There's 168 hours in a week.
  • 24:58 Someone goes to a worship service and you're going--
  • 25:03 in short order, you'll be in Houston at a church,
  • 25:05 10,000 people, correct?
  • 25:07 David: On Sunday, yeah.
  • 25:08 Jeffrey: Contact the ministry. Get these guys.
  • 25:10 They're second to none. So, you lead people in that.
  • 25:14 There's 168 hours in a week. They get you for 30 minutes.
  • 25:17 They spend the better part of the week hearing voices of their
  • 25:20 own discouragement, depression, and disorientation.
  • 25:23 We do need to get the Spirit-- the faith-filled stuff
  • 25:27 up in the mind and heart, and the other stuff banished,
  • 25:31 and good worship certainly facilitates that, yes?
  • 25:34 Kirsten: Yeah? You would hope so?
  • 25:37 And I know a lot of churches out there are in that worship mode,
  • 25:41 but a lot aren't.
  • 25:43 I think a lot walk in not thinking this is almost
  • 25:45 rehearsal for that time when we will be in heaven
  • 25:49 and he's sitting there.
  • 25:50 And I think people say, "I don't even know
  • 25:52 if I'll be able to stand.
  • 25:53 I'll be able to fall down."
  • 25:55 And it's just-- and to me I'm like, well,
  • 25:56 he is here right now.
  • 25:57 Let's live in--I like what you said about
  • 26:00 it's practice for that time.
  • 26:02 Jeffrey: I don't wanna jump in.
  • 26:03 Were you gonna say something to that?
  • 26:05 David: Well, I felt the Lord speaking to me not long ago
  • 26:07 where I felt like my job was to make sure that everyone
  • 26:10 had a worship experience.
  • 26:12 And I felt the Lord saying to me, "Don't worry about them,
  • 26:14 just concentrate on me," and that's what I do now.
  • 26:18 Jeffrey: Yes.
  • 26:20 Kirsten: And I think that's what that will be.
  • 26:21 We're just--it's almost one on one.
  • 26:22 Jeffrey: I mean, I think-- I mean,
  • 26:24 we're looking at the kingdom to come,
  • 26:27 intellectually how to understand it.
  • 26:30 But I think that the experience of receiving Jesus now,
  • 26:35 the blessings now, gathering as the body now,
  • 26:39 that we are an advanced colony of the kingdom to come.
  • 26:43 If it's a war, then we are the troops in early.
  • 26:50 We're participating in something that's gonna be happening later
  • 26:52 more fully in the world to come.
  • 26:55 Kirsten: Oh, this is good. Our time goes by so fast.
  • 26:58 Thank you so much.
  • 27:00 David: If you're not in a place where you have a worship
  • 27:03 experience, our prayer today is that you would find
  • 27:06 a place where you could truly worship the Lord.
  • 27:09 And it's great to be with you today.
  • 27:10 End our program for us today, would you?
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Episodes in this series

  1. Overview
  2. The Rapture
  3. The Judgment Seat of the Righteous
  4. The Wedding
  5. The Second Coming
  6. The Throne of Judgment
  7. The Kingdom Begins
  8. The Kingdom in Progress
  9. The Gog & Magog Invasion
  10. The Great White Throne of Judgment
  11. Eternity
  12. The Music

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