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Episode: “The Ambassador Speaks”
Zola continues his overview of the Crusaders in the Holy Land. Teaching in the port city of Akko, he reminds viewers that anti-Semitism did not cease with the Crusaders’ demise. In Zola’s interview with Dore Gold, Israel’s former UN Ambassador, they discuss the importance of Israel’s defensible borders.
Series: “The Crusaders”
Coalition forces, including American soldiers, are commonly referred to as “Crusaders” in Iraq and Afghanistan. Zola Levitt Presents takes a revealing look at the real Crusaders of a thousand years ago, and shows that the present accusation is unfair.

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  • 00:06 IN 1095 POPE URBAN II DECREED THAT THE CENTER OF THE KNOWN WORLD, JERUSALEM,
  • 00:12 SHOULD BE FREED FROM MUSLIM CONTROL.
  • 00:15 SPURRED BY RELIGIOUS FERVOR, >>WARRIORS MARCHED UNABATED ACROSS >>EUROPE TOWARDS THE HOLY LAND,
  • 00:21 LEAVING DEATH AND DEVASTATION IN THEIR WAKE.
  • 00:24 IN THE END, UPWARDS OF 30,000 MUSLIMS AND JEWS WERE MASSACRED IN JERUSALEM ALONE.
  • 00:31 THIS WAS CALLED "A HOLY WAR". THESE WERE THE CRUSADERS.
  • 00:41 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
  • 00:42 WELCOME BACK TO OUR SERIES ON THE CRUSADERS.
  • 00:45 I SPECIFIED BEFORE WHY WE ARE COVERING THE CRUSADERS,
  • 00:48 ALTHOUGH THEY WERE A LOT >>DIFFERENT, THEY WERE CHRISTIAN >>ARMIES FROM EUROPE
  • 00:53 THAT CAME TO TRY TO GET JERUSALEM AND THE HOLY LAND
  • 00:57 OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE MUSLIMS >>1000 YEARS AGO.
  • 01:00 NO LESS A PERSONALITY THAN OSAMA BIN LADEN SAID RECENTLY ON A TAPE,
  • 01:07 MY MESSAGE IS TO INCITE YOU AGAINST THE CONSPIRACIES,
  • 01:11 ESPECIALLY THOSE UNCOVERED BY >>THE OCCUPATION OF THE CRUSADERS >>IN BAGHDAD
  • 01:17 CALLING OUR ARMIES CRUSADERS.
  • 01:20 WELL, WE'LL INTERVIEW IN THIS >>PROGRAM, AMBASSADOR DORE GOLD,
  • 01:25 BUT IN THE MEANWHILE, LET'S GO TO LOCATION AT AKKO.
  • 01:29 WELL, WE ARE HERE AT AKKO ON THE MEDITERRANEAN SHORE.
  • 01:33 THIS IS AN OLD PLACE. THIS WAS AN OLD PLACE WHEN ABRAHAM CAME TO ISRAEL.
  • 01:38 IT WAS A CANAANITE CITY-STATE TO BEGIN WITH.
  • 01:41 IT'S FAVORED WITH A NATURAL DEEP >>HARBOR AND RIGHT ON THE COAST
  • 01:45 WITH JUST ABOUT AT THE VALLEY OF >>ARMAGEDDON WHICH IS A VERY FERTILE FLAT PLACE
  • 01:51 YOU CAN CROSS THE LAND INTO MESOPOTAMIA EASILY HERE.
  • 01:54 SO TRADERS USED THIS ROUTE FROM EGYPT TO MESOPOTAMIA FROM EUROPE >>WHEN IT BEGAN TO TRADE HERE,
  • 02:03 SO LONG, I'M TALKING 4,000 YEARS >>HISTORY, IT'S MORE THAN THAT,
  • 02:09 BUT IT WAS ALSO THE SITE THEREFORE OF MANY BATTLES.
  • 02:12 THE CRUSADERS CAME HERE IN 1104 BUT THEY WERE PRECEDED BY A LONG >>LIST OF CONQUERORS
  • 02:21 INCLUDING THE USUAL SUSPECTS, THE EGYPTIANS, THE PERSIANS, THE HASMONEANS,
  • 02:28 JEWISH PEOPLE CONQUERED IT BEFORE MESSIAH CAME THEN THE ROMANS AND THEN HUMIAD,
  • 02:37 ARABS, MUSLIMS CAME THEN THE OTTOMANS AND BRITISH, THE PALESTINIANS,
  • 02:43 JUST HORDES AND HORDES OF PEOPLE CAME HERE AND WHEN THE CRUSADERS >>ARRIVED IN 1104,
  • 02:51 THEY WERE DETERMINED TO HOLD THIS PLACE.
  • 02:52 IT'S A WONDERFUL HARBOR, BUT THEY HAD TO FIGHT WITH THE INLAND ARABS.
  • 02:59 THERE WAS AN ARAB POPULATION >>ALREADY ESTABLISHED HERE SO THE BATTLED FINALLY WITH SALAHADIN.
  • 03:07 THEY LOST THE PLACE FOR AWHILE, >>THEY TOOK IT BACK,
  • 03:08 BUT THEY MADE IT A SHOW PLACE OF CULTURE AND ARCHITECTURE IN THE LONG RUN.
  • 03:14 IT WAS REALLY WORLD CLASS IN THE 13TH CENTURY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY,
  • 03:19 THEY LOST IT TO THE MAMALUKES, >>MUSLIMS FROM EGYPT WHO TOOK IT IN 1291.
  • 03:26 LATER OTTOMANS OCCUPIED IT AND >>IT'S STILL OCCUPIED TODAY.
  • 03:30 PEOPLE LIVE HERE, IT'S A THRIVING LITTLE CITY.
  • 03:33 OUR TOURS HAVE COME HERE INTO >>THE UNDERGROUND CITY, SO CALLED.
  • 03:39 IT WASN'T REALLY BUILT UNDERGROUND,
  • 03:40 BUT AL JAZAR, CHIEFTAIN OF >>MUSLIMS IN THE 18TH CENTURY PUT >>A MOSQUE IN AN ARAB COMPLEX
  • 03:49 RIGHT OVER TOP OF THE OLD CRUSADER'S CITY CAUSING IT TO BECOME AN UNDERGROUND CITY,
  • 03:55 BUT HE LEFT IT OPEN AT THE END SO THAT VISITORS, TOURISTS COULD GO THROUGH THE UNDERGROUND AREA
  • 04:01 AND MARVEL AT IT AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT OUR TOURS HAVE DONE.
  • 04:05 WHEN THE CRUSADERS WERE HERE, THE HOSPITALLER KNIGHTS IN PARTICULAR,
  • 04:12 ESTABLISHED A MEDICAL CENTER, I GUESS FROM WHERE WE GET OUR TERM "HOSPITAL".
  • 04:17 THEY TREATED PILGRIMS BACK THEN, >>PILGRIMS TO THE LAND
  • 04:20 GOT SICK WITH TRAVELERS DISEASES >>AND THEY TREATED THEM HERE.
  • 04:26 THE CRUSADERS BUILT THEIR GREAT >>HALLS AND THEIR CASTLE ON HELLENIST FOUNDATIONS.
  • 04:35 THE GREEKS WHO WERE HERE LONG >>BEFORE ANY ROMAN ENGINEERS HAD LAID FOUNDATIONS IN THE EARTH,
  • 04:42 SO THEY WERE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY THE CRUSADERS IN THERE TURN AND THEN THE ARABS AFTER THAT.
  • 04:48 A LOT OF THE HOLY LAND IS LIKE THAT.
  • 04:50 I CAN THINK OF THE JEZREEL VALLEY, THE SITE OF MEGIDDO,
  • 04:56 WHICH IS LIKE A STACK OF 20 CIVILIZATIONS LIKE SHOEBOXES ON SHELVES,
  • 05:01 ONE BUILT ON TOP OF ANOTHER >>AND IT'S BURNED AND THERE'S ASH
  • 05:05 AND THEN THERE'S A LAYER OF >>ANOTHER AND THEN ASH AND THEN A LAYER OF ANOTHER ONE STRAIGHT UP
  • 05:10 AND IT SOMEWHAT HAPPENED HERE IN THAT FASHION.
  • 05:14 TOWARD THE END, NAPOLEON CAME, >>THAT IS, UP TOWARD OUR DAY,
  • 05:20 IN 1799, HE FAILED TO CONQUER THIS PLACE.
  • 05:23 HE SAID IF I COULD HAVE GOT AKKO, I'D HAVE THE WORLD.
  • 05:26 I ADDED, I THINK THAT'S A LOT TO SAY, BUT ANYHOW,
  • 05:28 HE DIDN'T CONQUER IT EITHER AND THE GREAT HALLS ARE STILL THERE.
  • 05:33 THE CRUSADERS BUILT IN THE STYLE >>THEY DID IN ENGLAND, FRANCE AND GERMANY,
  • 05:39 GREAT CASTLES WITH ENORMOUS >>ROOMS WHERE KNIGHTS WOULD MEET AND EAT AND CELEBRATE AND SING.
  • 05:47 THOSE ROOMS ARE STILL HERE IN >>THE SO-CALLED UNDERGROUND CITY.
  • 05:52 IN THE END THE BRITISH CAME IN >>THE 20TH CENTURY
  • 05:56 AND THEY OCCUPIED THE PLACE UNDER THE BRITISH MANDATE
  • 05:59 AND THERE WE HAVE QUITE A SITUATION I'LL DESCRIBE AFTER THIS.
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  • 06:28 DID YOU KNOW THAT ZOLA TAKES >>TOURSTO ISRAEL, GREECE AND THE HOLY LAND EXPERIENCE THEME PARK >>IN ORLANDO, FL.?
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  • 06:40 IN THE 20TH CENTURY, THE BRITISH PRETTY MUCH OPERATED THIS PLACE >>UNTIL ISRAELI INDEPENDENCE.
  • 06:49 THEY HAD A MANDATE GIVEN THEM IN 1918 AND THEY ALSO HAD THE BALFOUR DECLARATION,
  • 06:57 DAVID BALFOUR, A BRITISH GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL
  • 07:00 HAD DECLARED THAT THE JEWS HAVE THE RIGHT TO REESTABLISH THEIR ANCIENT SOCIETY HERE IN ISRAEL
  • 07:10 WHERE OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE THE NATIVES, IT'S WHERE THEY CAME FROM.
  • 07:14 THE BRITISH TRIED THIS DOCTRINE OF EQUIVALENCY THAT WE SEE TODAY >>IN THE MEDIA AND THE PRESS,
  • 07:21 OF TWO PEOPLE, REALLY, ARE IN THE LAND AND SHARE IT AND ALL THE REST OF THAT
  • 07:27 AND THE BRITISH LEANED MORE TO THE ARAB SIDE.
  • 07:31 THEY WERE ALWAYS, AND TO THIS DAY, ARE MORE LIKE ARABISTS
  • 07:36 THAN THEY ARE LIKE ON THE JEWISH >>SIDE OF THINGS.
  • 07:40 BUT WITH THAT SAID, THE SITUATION WAS
  • 07:43 THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE LAND DID >>NOT LIKE THE BRITISH.
  • 07:46 THE ARABS FOUGHT WITH THEM, THE JEWS FOUGHT WITH THEM,
  • 07:48 PARTICULARLY THE JEWS FOUGHT WITH THEM BECAUSE THIS IS JEWISH LAND
  • 07:52 AND THEY WERE FOREIGN OCCUPIERS, >>SIMPLE AS THAT.
  • 07:54 NOW WITH ALL THAT SAID, WE GOT A STANDARD GUIDEBOOK THAT'S PART OF OUR RESEARCH FOR THE PROGRAM.
  • 08:00 THIS ONE'S CALLED, "LET'S GO ISRAEL" AND AMONG THE SOURCES THAT WE LOOKED AT.
  • 08:06 WE LOOKED AT THIS BOOK AND I FOUND THIS SENTENCE.
  • 08:20 THAT'S ABOUT THE CITADEL HERE AT AKKO AND THE BRITISH OPERATED A >>PRISON HERE
  • 08:24 IN WHICH THEY TOOK JEWISH FIGHTERS WHO OPPOSED THEM AND JAILED THEM.
  • 08:35 IT'S A CRAZY STATEMENT BECAUSE, >>ALTHOUGH WE READ IT ALL THE >>TIME, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
  • 08:40 A TERRORIST TACTIC IS DONE AGAINST INNOCENT CIVILIANS.
  • 08:44 THAT'S WHY IT'S TERRORISM. THAT'S WHY IT STRIKES TERROR.
  • 08:48 IT'S NOT TERROR TO ATTACK ARMED TROOPS.
  • 08:51 ARMED TROOPS ARE IN THAT BUSINESS.
  • 08:52 THE BRITISH WERE WALKING AROUND >>HERE WITH GUNS. THEY WERE WEARING UNIFORMS.
  • 08:57 THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY FOREIGNERS >>IN A JEWISH LAND
  • 09:01 AND WHEN THE JEW INCLUDING MENACHEM BEGIN, FOR ONE,
  • 09:04 ATTACKED THEM, THEY WERE CALLED >>FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
  • 09:08 THEY WERE CALLED A LOT OF THINGS, BUT TO CALL THEM TERRORISTS, IS CRAZY.
  • 09:12 WE CALL PALESTINIAN PEOPLE TERRORIST WHEN THEY BLOW UP BOMBS ON CITY BUSES
  • 09:17 BECAUSE THEY ARE ATTACKING MEN, >>WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND OLD >>PEOPLE ALIKE, IT DOESN'T MATTER,
  • 09:22 BUT THEY NEVER ATTACK AN ISRAELI ARMY BASE.
  • 09:25 THEY MIGHT SHOOT SOME POOR SOLDIER ON GUARD DUTY IN THE BACK,
  • 09:29 BUT, THEY DON'T GO AND CONFRONT >>THE ARMY AS DID BEGIN AND HIS COHORTS.
  • 09:34 THAT IS NOT TERRORISM IF THEY DID THAT, IF THEY GO TO AN ARMED SOLDIER,
  • 09:40 IT IS NOT TERRORISM AND THIS BOOK GIVES ALL OF THE CONQUERORS OF THIS LAND.
  • 09:57 LOTS AND LOTS OF STRANGERS IN THE LAND,
  • 10:00 BUT THEY RESERVE THE TERM >>TERRORIST FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE, >>THE NATIVES.
  • 10:14 TODAY THE BATTLE OVER ISRAEL REALLY IS ABOUT POLITICS.
  • 10:18 THERE'S NO LOGIC TO THE CASE OF >>ARABS BEING IN THE LAND
  • 10:23 AND JEWS COMING TO PUSH THEM OUT, JUST DOESN'T WORK.
  • 10:27 IT WAS ALWAYS A JEWISH LAND, WHOLE HISTORY OF IT,
  • 10:29 ARCHAEOLOGY, WRITINGS, THE VERY >>TITLE THAT GOD GAVE ABRAHAM.
  • 10:34 IT'S JEWISH LAND, BUT POLITICS >>CAN SWAY PEOPLES OPINIONS.
  • 10:39 THE MEDIA PARTICULARLY CNN, THE NEW YORK TIMES
  • 10:42 ARE CONSTANTLY TAKING THE ARAB >>SIDE OF THINGS
  • 10:45 SO WE SOUGHT AN INTERVIEW WITH >>SOMEBODY AWARE OF DIPLOMACY AND POLITICS
  • 10:49 AND WE'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO COME >>TO AMBASSADOR DORE GOLD, FORMER U.N. AMBASSADOR.
  • 10:56 HIS PEDIGREE GOES ON FOR PAGES >>SO I WON'T BORE YOU WITH IT, BUT HE'S VERY ACCOMPLISHED.
  • 11:01 HE'S AN AMERICAN.
  • 11:02 HE'S GOT A DOCTORATE IN INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS FROM COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY,
  • 11:06 QUITE A SPOKESMAN AND A SPOKESMAN FOR PRIME MINISTER SHARON.
  • 11:11 HERE'S DORE GOLD.
  • 11:12 DORE, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A VAST >>KNOWLEDGE OF THE SITUATION,
  • 11:17 THE PALESTINIANS, VISA VI THE-- >>WHAT'S GOING ON? LET ME JUST TURN YOU LOSE.
  • 11:22 YOU KNOW, ISRAEL SPENT THE LAST 10 YEARS EXPERIMENTING WITH THE >>OSLO AGREEMENTS
  • 11:27 AND WE'VE LOST NOW CLOSE TO 1000 ISRAELI LIVES WITH THIS EXPERIMENT.
  • 11:31 IT THINK ISRAELIS HAVE NOW COME >>TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE >>FUNDAMENTAL ASSUMPTIONS OF OSLO,
  • 11:37 THAT YASSER ARAFAT WOULD TAKE >>RESPONSIBILITY FOR AREAS UNDER >>HIS JURISDICTION
  • 11:42 AND FIGHT TERRORISM THE WAY THE EGYPTIANS FIGHT TERROR AGAINST EGYPT
  • 11:46 OR ALGERIANS AGAINST THE >>ALGERIAN UNDERGROUND MOVEMENTS.
  • 11:50 THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, THEREFORE, WE HAVE NO CHOICE AT THIS TIME
  • 11:55 BUT TO PUT IN PLACE THE BEGINNINGS OF A UNILATERAL SOLUTION
  • 11:58 AND THAT IS ERECTING A FENCE THAT WILL TAKE IN THE LARGEST NUMBER OF ISRAELIS POSSIBLE
  • 12:03 TO PROTECT THEM FROM THE SUICIDE BOMBERS THAT ARAFAT HAS LAUNCHED >>AND ALLOWED TO BE LAUNCHED.
  • 12:09 NOW YOU'RE BEING CRITICIZED FOR BUILDING THE BERLIN WALL, THE APARTHEID WALL.
  • 12:15 I GRABBED A PUBLICATION, DON'T KNOW WHAT CAME OVER ME,
  • 12:19 IT'S CALLED, "THIS WEEK IN PALESTINE".
  • 12:20 THE THING IS FULL OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE APARTHEID WALL.
  • 12:24 YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT THE SUBSTANCE HERE THAT MATTERS.
  • 12:26 THE BERLIN WALL WAS PUT IN PLACE >>TO IMPRISON GERMANS AND OTHER PEOPLES IN EASTERN EUROPE
  • 12:36 UNDER SOVIET DOMINATION TO NOT LET THEM OUT.
  • 12:38 OUR PROBLEM IS THAT THE PALESTINIANS WERE LET OUT AND WERE ABLE TO COME INTO ISRAEL
  • 12:45 AND THEY WEREN'T LOOKING FOR FREEDOM,
  • 12:46 THEY WERE LOOKING TO KILL ISRAELIS WITH SUICIDE BELTS.
  • 12:49 SO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS >>TO PROTECT ISRAELIS,
  • 12:52 WE'RE NOT TRYING TO IMPRISON PEOPLE UNDER A REGIME OF ANY SORT,
  • 12:56 BUT THE REASON THESE ANALOGIES ARE USED LIKE APARTHEID WALL, >>OR BERLIN WALL
  • 13:03 IS SIMPLY BECAUSE THE SUBSTANCE >>DOESN'T MATTER HERE.
  • 13:05 WHAT MATTERS IS THE EFFORT OF PALESTINIAN SPOKESMAN AND THEIR SUPPORTERS
  • 13:10 TO DE-LEGITIMIZE THE STATE OF ISRAEL.
  • 13:12 SO BY TRYING TO PUT US IN THE CATEGORY OF SOUTH AFRICA
  • 13:16 OR FOR SOME AUDIENCES IN THE CATEGORY OF THE SOVIET BLOCK,
  • 13:20 THEY HOPE TO DAMAGE ISRAEL'S STANDING IN WORLD OPINION.
  • 13:26 THAT'S WHY THESE PHRASES ARE CHOSEN.
  • 13:27 ALL THIS NEGATIVE PROPAGANDA SEEMS TO BE WORKING.
  • 13:32 RECENTLY THE EUROPEANS DECLARED ISRAEL THE MOST DANGEROUS, THE BIGGEST THREAT TO WORLD PEACE.
  • 13:42 WE'RE IN GOOD COMPANY BECAUSE NUMBER TWO IS UNITED STATES.
  • 13:45 I DID LIKE THAT PART.
  • 13:45 IT REMINDED ME WHEN THE NAZIS >>DISALLOWED JEWISH COMPOSERS AND BARTAK WROTE A LETTER AND SAID,
  • 13:54 "I'M NOT JEWISH, BUT I WANT TO >>BE ON THAT LIST".
  • 13:56 THERE ARE A NUMBER OF >>ASSUMPTIONS IN WORLD POLITICS.
  • 14:00 THERE IS A CERTAIN SEGMENT OF >>EUROPEAN OPINION THAT BELIEVES >>IF YOU JUST SAT BACK,
  • 14:05 DID NOTHING BUT MAKE MONEY AND >>RUN YOUR BUSINESS, THE WORLD WOULD BE A SAFE PLACE,
  • 14:12 THAT THERE IS THIS AUTOMATIC >>HARMONY OF INTERESTS AND THERE ARE 2 COUNTRIES THAT UNDERSTAND,
  • 14:18 UNDERSTAND VERY WELL, THAT THERE >>ARE PEOPLE, ORGANIZATIONS OUT >>THERE THAT WANT TO DESTROY US.
  • 14:24 UNITED STATES WITNESSED THAT DEVASTATINGLY IN SEPT. 11
  • 14:28 WHEN AL QAEDA STRUCK AT WASHINGTON AND NEW YORK AND >>ISRAEL WITNESSES IT EVERY DAY.
  • 14:35 THEREFORE WE ARE NATIONS THAT ARE DEDICATED TO DEFENDING OUR CITIZENS
  • 14:41 AND UNDERSTANDS THAT IF WE DON'T PROTECT OURSELVES, PEOPLE WILL >>TRY TO DESTROY US.
  • 14:47 EUROPEANS WHO LIVED UNDER THE WINGS OF THE AMERICAN EAGLE ALL DURING THE COLD WAR,
  • 14:52 HAVEN'T INTERNALIZED THAT CONCLUSION AND THEREFORE THEY SEE OUR ACTS OF SELF-DEFENSE
  • 14:57 AS DISTURBING THE INTERNATIONAL >>PEACE THAT THEY THINK WOULD EMERGE.
  • 15:01 SO, IF WE DIDN'T DO A WAR ON TERRORISM, TERRORISM WOULD JUST STOP.
  • 15:05 IT WOULD JUST GO AWAY BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE HAPPY
  • 15:07 AND STAY IN 4-5 STAR HOTELS IN >>PARIS AND BE LEFT ALONE.
  • 15:12 IN FACT, THE PROBLEM IS, THEY ARE WRONG.
  • 15:14 PEOPLE DON'T JUST WANT THAT, THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO DESTROY US.
  • 15:16 I STUDIED THE IDEOLOGY OF AL QAEDA, I WROTE ABOUT WAHABISM IN SAUDI ARABIA
  • 15:20 AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DON'T >>HAVE OUR BEST INTEREST IN MIND.
  • 15:25 SAUDI ARABIANS, YOU DID WRITE A >>BOOK ABOUT HATRED, WHAT WAS THE TITLE?
  • 15:34 "HATRED'S KINGDOM".
  • 15:36 YES, "HATRED'S KINGDOM".
  • 15:36 THE SAUDI ARABIANS ARE GETTING A PASS THESE DAYS IT SEEMS LIKE.
  • 15:42 THE PRESIDENT HAS A SAUDI PRINCE TO HIS RANCH, CRONIES ALL OVER >>THE PLACE,
  • 15:47 WE'RE NOT MARCHING ANY SOLDIERS INTO THERE. WHAT'S GOING ON?
  • 15:52 IT'S NOT A COMPLETE PASS.
  • 15:53 SEC. OF DEFENSE DONALD RUMSFELD >>HAS ANNOUNCED
  • 15:56 THAT IT'S PULLING OUT IT'S TROOPS FROM SAUDI ARABIA
  • 15:59 INCLUDING FROM THE LARGE PRINCE SULTAN AIR BASE SOUTH OF RIYADH.
  • 16:03 BUT, I DON'T EXPECT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION
  • 16:04 TO GO TO WAR AGAINST EVERY COUNTRY THAT HAS HAD >>ANYTHING TO DO WITH TERRORISM.
  • 16:09 YOU CAN'T DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
  • 16:10 WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS FOCUS ON >>THE WORST CASE.
  • 16:12 THE MOST DANGEROUS CASE WAS SADDAM HUSSEIN,
  • 16:15 WHO COULD HAVE BECOME THE NEXUS TO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTIONS >>AND TERRORISM.
  • 16:20 IN A SENSE, UNITED STATES, BY GOING AFTER IRAQ,
  • 16:23 WAS NOT HANDLING THE TERRORIST >>ATTACK OF THE PAST, SEPT 11,
  • 16:27 BUT RATHER PREEMPTING THE >>TERRORIST ATTACK OF THE FUTURE
  • 16:31 WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
  • 16:34 BUT IN TERMS OF SAUDI ARABIA,
  • 16:35 I BELIEVE THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO PUT QUIET PRESSURE ON >>THE SAUDIS.
  • 16:38 WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW IS THAT >>SAUDI ARABIA IS FIGHTING TERRORISM DOMESTICALLY.
  • 16:42 THEY HAVE AL QAEDA ATTACK QUITE >>FREQUENTLY AND THEY ARE UNCOVERING CELLS OF AL QAEDA
  • 16:47 THROUGHOUT THE KINGDOM EVEN THOUGH THEY DENIED JUST A YEAR AGO
  • 16:50 THEY EVEN HAD ANY TERRORISTS IN SAUDI ARABIA AND ANY AL QAEDA PRESENCE.
  • 16:53 WHERE WE SEE SAUDI ARABIA STILL FAILING, IS IN THE AREA OF TERRORIST FINANCING.
  • 16:58 I CAN TELL YOU TODAY THAT 60-70% OF HAMAS BUDGET COMES FROM SAUDI DONATIONS
  • 17:06 THROUGH SAUDI CHARITIES AND THAT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
  • 17:09 THAT'S A PROBLEM WE'RE ASKING >>THE UNITED STATES TO ALLEVIATE.
  • 17:13 THAT'S A FIRST RATE PROBLEM, THAT'S A VERY BIG DEAL.
  • 17:15 SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS SUPPORTING THE PALESTINIAN TERRORISM.
  • 17:20 ABSOLUTELY, THIS HAS TO COME TO AN END.
  • 17:21 WE'VE SAID IF THE SAUDIS ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THEIR GREAT PEACE INITIATIVE
  • 17:25 THAT WAS FIRST BROADCAST IN THE NEW YORK TIMES BY TOM FRIEDMAN, >>PRINCE ABDULLAH'S PEACE PLAN,
  • 17:32 THEN HOW COULD THEY BE FINANCING HAMAS
  • 17:34 AND THOSE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN SUICIDE BOMBINGS AGAINST ISRAELI CIVILIANS.
  • 17:38 ARE YOU FOR PEACE OR ARE YOU FOR SUICIDE BOMBINGS?
  • 17:40 APPARENTLY THEY HAVE BEEN FINANCING THE LATTER.
  • 17:42 YOU KNOW, TOM FRIEDMAN, WHILE YOU MENTION IT,
  • 17:44 ANSWER FOR ME, HE SEEMS TO HAVE MULTIPLE PERSONALITY OR SOMETHING.
  • 17:50 HE'S A LONGTIME ARABIST IN MY MIND. >>I'VE READ HIM FOR A LONG TIME.
  • 17:54 LATELY HE'S DISAPPOINTED HIS FRIENDS, LETTING HIM DOWN,
  • 17:57 THEY'RE NOT ACTING WELL, THE ARABS, AND YET HE STILL >>THINKS SETTLEMENTS HAVE TO GO,
  • 18:02 THE LAND HAS TO GO TO THE PALESTINIANS, HE'S STILL ON THAT TRACK OF OSLO.
  • 18:07 THE SETTLEMENT ISSUE IS AN OVERBLOWN ISSUE BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND
  • 18:13 THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TERRITORIAL DISPUTE
  • 18:15 WHERE ISRAEL HAS CLAIMS AND PALESTINIANS HAVE CLAIMS.
  • 18:18 PALESTINIANS HAVE NO LIMITATIONS >>ON BUILDING IN THEIR VILLAGES AND TOWNS,
  • 18:23 ADDING MORE HOUSING UNITS. WHY SHOULD ISRAEL?
  • 18:27 WHAT WILL SETTLE THE DIFFERENCES >>BETWEEN THE ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS
  • 18:31 IS THE NEGOTIATING TABLE, >>NOT HOW MUCH CONCRETE IS POURED.
  • 18:34 SO, EMPHASIZING THE ISSUE OF SETTLEMENTS IS EMPHASIZING THE WRONG ISSUE.
  • 18:39 FUNDAMENTAL FACT IS WE HAVE TO REACH A TERRITORIAL COMPROMISE >>IN THE WEST BANK,
  • 18:43 IN JUDEA AND SAMARIA WHICH SOME TERRITORY WILL BECOME PART OF A >>PALESTINIAN DOMAIN
  • 18:48 AND OTHER PARTS OF THE TERRITORY >>WILL BECOME PART OF ISRAEL
  • 18:51 AND PROVIDE ISRAEL WITH A DEFENSIBLE BORDERS THAT IT DESERVES.
  • 18:55 THAT'S YOUR OTHER ARTICLE I WAS >>INTERESTED IN, >>"DEFENSIBLE BORDERS FOR ISRAEL".
  • 19:00 WELL, YOU KNOW, "DEFENSIBLE BORDERS" IS THE HERITAGE
  • 19:03 THAT WE WERE LEFT BY OUR LATE PRIME MINISTER YITZHAK RABIN,
  • 19:06 WHO IN HIS LAST SPEECH IN THE KNESSET, ONE MONTH BEFORE HE WAS ASSASSINATED,
  • 19:12 ACTUALLY LAID OUT THE MAP OF ISRAEL. HE LAID OUT THE RABIN LEGACY.
  • 19:16 HE DIDN'T SPEAK ABOUT GOING BACK >>TO '67 LINES,
  • 19:17 HE SAID ISRAEL MUST NEVER GO BACK TO THE '67 LINES, THOSE WEREN'T POLITICAL BORDERS,
  • 19:22 THEY WERE JUST MILITARY LINES WHERE THE JORDANIAN ARMY STOPPED IN 1948.
  • 19:27 HE INSISTED ON "DEFENSIBLE BORDERS".
  • 19:29 HE SPOKE ABOUT ISRAEL RETAINING >>THE JORDAN VALLEY.
  • 19:32 THE JORDAN VALLEY IS NOT JUST THE RIVERBED,
  • 19:35 BUT IT IS THE EASTERN SLOPES OF >>THE WEST BANK HILL RIDGE
  • 19:39 THAT FACES ARMIES IN THE FUTURE, >>TO THE EAST.
  • 19:41 IT ALSO PREVENTS WEAPONRY THAT'S IN LARGE NUMBERS IN PLACES LIKE IRAQ,
  • 19:47 FROM BEING SMUGGLED INTO THE WEST BANK LIKE SHOULDER FIRED MISSILES.
  • 19:51 WE NEED TO HAVE THAT BARRIER IN OUR HANDS.
  • 19:53 HE ALSO SPOKE ABOUT THE SETTLEMENT BLOCKS BEING RETAINED,
  • 19:56 ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA WESTERN >>SAMARIA AND AROUND JERUSALEM
  • 19:59 AND HE WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT ONE THING
  • 20:00 THAT PEOPLE LATELY HAVE NOT BEEN SUFFICIENTLY CLEAR ABOUT,
  • 20:03 JERUSALEM MUST REMAIN UNITED UNDER THE SOVEREIGNTY OF ISRAEL.
  • 20:07 THAT WAS RABIN'S LEGACY AND THAT >>LEGACY ALSO MOTIVATES ARIEL SHARON, OUR PRIME MINISTER.
  • 20:51 OF COURSE, NOW I CAN HEAR >>PALESTINIANS SAY, ALL VERY WELL, >>THE ISRAELIS CAME HERE
  • 20:56 AND PUSHED US OFF OUR OWN LAND, >>CREATED REFUGEES AND OCCUPIED IT.
  • 21:03 OCCUPATIONS REALLY SHOULD BE >>ILLEGAL, ANY KIND OF RESISTANCE,
  • 21:06 EVEN THE U.N. SAYS ARMED RESISTANCE IS ACCEPTABLE
  • 21:09 AND THEY HINGE EVERYTHING ON THE >>IDEA THEY WERE HERE,
  • 21:13 THE JEWS CAME AND PUSHED THEM OFF THE LAND AND OCCUPIED IT.
  • 21:18 THERE ARE REALLY TWO ISSUES THAT YOU ARE MENTIONING HERE.
  • 21:20 NUMBER ONE, WHOSE LAND IS IT? >>WHO WAS HERE FIRST?
  • 21:23 WELL, BIG SURPRISE FOR YOUR LISTENERS, THERE NEVER WAS A PALESTINIAN STATE.
  • 21:28 IT'S NOT SUCH A BIG SURPRISE.
  • 21:30 NO, I'M SAYING THAT, THERE SIMPLY WASN'T.
  • 21:31 IT'S NOT AS THOUGH THERE WAS >>THIS HISTORIC STATE OF PALESTINE >>THAT EXISTED FOR CENTURIES
  • 21:36 AND ISRAEL ROLLED IN AND TOOK IT.
  • 21:38 THE LAND FOR THE MOST PART, THIS AREA WAS PART OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE 300-400 YEARS.
  • 21:45 THE BRITISH TOOK IT OVER AND THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS DECIDED
  • 21:49 THAT A JEWISH NATIONAL HOME SHOULD BE HERE
  • 21:50 BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO LEAD THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, BACK AT THE >>END OF WWI,
  • 21:55 UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS A JEWISH CLAIM TO THE LAND, IT WAS FROM THE BIBLE.
  • 21:58 IT COMES FROM THE FACT THAT >>JEWS ALWAYS TRIED TO COME BACK >>TO THE LAND.
  • 22:03 PEOPLE ALSO DON'T KNOW THIS.
  • 22:04 DO YOU KNOW WHEN WE ACHIEVED, THE JEWISH PEOPLE ACHIEVED A JEWISH MAJORITY IN JERUSALEM?
  • 22:09 WAS IT IN '67, WAS IT IN '48? >>IT WAS IN 1864, BEFORE THE BRITISH GOT HERE,
  • 22:15 BEFORE THE RISE OF ZIONISM, BEFORE THEODORE HERTZEL, >>BEFORE THE BALFOUR DECLARATION,
  • 22:21 JEWS WERE STREAMING BACK TO THEIR LAND
  • 22:23 AND WE ALREADY HAD A JEWISH MAJORITY IN THE CITY OF JERUSALEM.
  • 22:27 JERUSALEM WAS A JEWISH CITY.
  • 22:28 IN THE LINCOLN ADMINISTRATION.
  • 22:29 AT THE TIME THAT PRES. LINCOLN >>WAS SENDING GENERAL GRANT
  • 22:32 TO MOP UP THE RESISTANCE DOWN IN THE SOUTH,
  • 22:37 SO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY FACT.
  • 22:41 SO WE HAVE DEEP CLAIMS TO THIS LAND,
  • 22:44 IN FACT IT'S BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY PROVEN
  • 22:46 THAT DURING THE YEARS THAT THE >>JEWS CAME BACK TO THE LAND,
  • 22:49 THE LAND BECAME MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE TO ARABS WHO WANTED TO IMMIGRATE HERE.
  • 22:54 FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT SAID >>IN 1939, PRES. ROOSEVELT,
  • 22:59 MORE ARABS IMMIGRATED INTO >>PALESTINE BETWEEN WWI AND 1939 >>THAN JEWS.
  • 23:06 THAT'S A STRIKING FACT. >>THAT IS STRIKING.
  • 23:09 SO, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH PALESTINIAN NATIONALISM
  • 23:12 IS A VERY RECENT NATIONALISM THAT ISRAEL SAYS THEY WILL ADDRESS.
  • 23:16 AT THE SAME TIME, THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE
  • 23:19 IN CONNECTION TO THIS LAND HAS >>TO BE UNDERSTOOD
  • 23:21 AND THEREFORE WE DON'T SEE OURSELVES AS FOREIGNERS
  • 23:25 OR EUROPEANS WHO HAVE COME HERE >>ON THE BACK OF EUROPEAN IMPERIALISM.
  • 23:29 WE SEE OURSELVES AS THE NATURAL >>NATION THAT HAS ALWAYS HAD TITLE HERE,
  • 23:34 HAS ALWAYS HAD CONNECTION HERE, >>OUR PRAYERS, OUR DREAMS
  • 23:37 HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CONNECTED TO THIS LAND WHEREVER WE LIVE.
  • 23:40 YOU HAVEN'T EVEN MENTIONED 3,000 YEARS OF HISTORY.
  • 23:45 YOU MENTIONED 1864, YOU'RE BEING MORE THAN FAIR,
  • 23:48 BUT TAKE THE BIBLE AT IT'S WORD, >>ABRAHAM WAS GIVEN THE LAND 4000 YEARS AGO
  • 23:55 AND KING DAVID TOOK JERUSALEM >>AND HIS ARTIFACTS ARE EVERWHERE.
  • 23:58 OUR INTERNAL ASSUMPTIONS FOR >>JEWISH PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT AT >>FRIDAY NIGHT DINNER TABLE,
  • 24:03 THESE WERE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE RECOGNIZED BY LEADING MEMBERS OF >>THE INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEE,
  • 24:08 LORD PALMERSTON SPOKE ABOUT THIS >>WHEN HE WAS BRITISH FOREIGN SECRETARY.
  • 24:11 NAPOLEON BONAPARTE, THE RULER OF FRANCE,
  • 24:13 PRESIDENT JOHN ADAMS SPOKE ABOUT >>THE JEWISH CONNECTION TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL.
  • 24:16 THESE WERE FUNDAMENTAL ASSUMP- TIONS SHARED BY THE LEADERS OF THE WORLD IN THE 19TH CENTURY.
  • 24:22 SO WE WEREN'T COMING TO RECLAIM >>SOMETHING OR CLAIM SOMETHING THAT WASN'T OURS,
  • 24:27 WE WERE RECLAIMING SOMETHING THAT WAS OURS.
  • 24:29 YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE ISSUE OF OCCUPATION.
  • 24:31 I THINK THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
  • 24:32 SINCE 9-11, IN PARTICULAR, MANY PALESTINIAN SPOKESMEN AND THEIR DEFENDERS
  • 24:37 SAY, OF COURSE THERE'S BEEN AN >>OUTBREAK OF VIOLENCE BECAUSE THIS ISN'T TERRORISM,
  • 24:44 THIS IS RESISTANCE TO OCCUPATION.
  • 24:45 IT'S SAID BY PALESTINIAN SPOKESMEN, PARTICULARLY IN THE U.N. IN SECURITY COUNCIL
  • 24:51 AND THIS IS USED TO JUSTIFY THE >>USE OF SUICIDE BOMBINGS,
  • 24:56 SENDING AN 18 YEAR OLD PALESTINIAN KID
  • 24:58 INTO A CROWDED CAFE TO KILL 30 ISRAELI TEENAGERS.
  • 25:01 NOTHING JUSTIFIES THE MURDER OF >>INNOCENT CIVILIANS, NO CAUSE, NO GRIEVANCE.
  • 25:05 BUT GOING BEYOND THAT FOR A >>MOMENT, IT IS A FALSE ARGUMENT.
  • 25:09 I WAS AN OSLO NEGOTIATOR, I USED TO MEET WITH ARAFAT, WITH ABU MAZAN,
  • 25:13 WITH THE WHOLE LEADERSHIP AND >>I CAN TELL YOU WHAT ISRAEL DID >>DURING THE OSLO ACCORDS.
  • 25:18 ISRAEL TOOK THE MILITARY GOVERNMENT THAT IT HAD FOR YEARS OVER PALESTINIAN CITIES
  • 25:26 AND WITHDREW THAT GOVERNMENT. >>AND WHAT DID WE PUT THERE INSTEAD,
  • 25:31 THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY UNDER YASSER ARAFAT.
  • 25:35 NOW, DO THE PALESTINIANS HAVE AN INDEPENDENT STATE
  • 25:38 AS A RESULT OF THAT ACTION BY ISRAEL FULFILLING THE OSLO AGREEMENTS?
  • 25:41 NO, BUT WERE THEY UNDER MILITARY OCCUPATION? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
  • 25:45 THE WHOLE THING IS A LIE AND THE LIE IS PUT FORWARD FOR ONE REASON.
  • 25:50 THE PALESTINIANS ARE SEEKING TO >>CREATE A COMPARISON
  • 25:54 BETWEEN THE ISRAELI PRESENCE IN >>THE WEST BANK, IN JUDEA AND SAMARIA
  • 25:59 AND THE GERMAN OCCUPATION IN EUROPE.
  • 26:02 THAT'S THE SUGGESTION THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE TO EUROPEAN AUDIENCES
  • 26:07 WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HAVING SUCH A RISE OF EUROPEAN ANTI-SEMITISM.
  • 26:11 THIS ARGUMENT USUALLY FALLS FLAT >>ON ITS FACE TO AMERICAN LISTENERS.
  • 26:14 BUT IN EUROPE, IT HAS RESONANCE. >>THAT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
  • 26:17 WE'LL HEAR MORE FROM DORE GOLD >>IN OUR NEXT PROGRAM.
  • 26:22 OBVIOUSLY, AS HE SAYS, EUROPEAN >>SENTIMENTS TOWARD ISRAEL ARE DOWNRIGHT HOSTILE,
  • 26:28 BUT I WONDER IF THEY ARE REALLY EUROPEAN.
  • 26:29 TO TELL THE TRUTH, I THINK FRANCE, GERMANY, ENGLAND ARE >>JUST ABOUT LOST TO THE MUSLIMS.
  • 26:34 YOU MIGHT AS WELL CALL THEM MUSLIM NATIONS.
  • 26:35 ALL THIS ANTI-SEMITISM ORIGINATES WITH ARABS AND THE PEOPLE IN EUROPE,
  • 26:41 IT DEFIES COMMON SENSE THAT THE PLACE WHERE THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENED
  • 26:44 A GENERATION OR SO LATER, THEY'RE AGAIN ANTI-SEMITIC AND WANTING TO KILL THE JEWS.
  • 26:52 IT'S NOT BELIEVABLE.
  • 26:53 IT'S JUST THAT THE MUSLIM TAKEOVER HAS PROGRESSED TO THAT POINT.
  • 26:57 SCRIPTURE SAYS, THEY HAVE SAID, >> COME AND LET US CUT THEM OFF FROM BEING A NATION
  • 27:02 THAT THE NAME OF ISRAEL WILL BE >> NO MORE IN REMEMBRANCE.
  • 27:06 SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALAYIM, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.

Episodes in this series

  1. The Invasion
  2. The Old New Land
  3. The Ambassador Speaks
  4. The Real War on Terrorism
  5. Our Man in Jerusalem
  6. A Clash of Civilizations
  7. The Humble Knight
  8. The Apple of His Eye

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