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Series: “The Crusaders”
Coalition forces, including American soldiers, are commonly referred to as “Crusaders” in Iraq and Afghanistan. Zola Levitt Presents takes a revealing look at the real Crusaders of a thousand years ago, and shows that the present accusation is unfair.
Episode: “The Apple of His Eye”
From the site of Samuel’s Tomb, Zola interviews Dr. Benjamin Kedar, an expert on the Crusader period. Prof. Kedar says the Crusaders considered themselves “The True Israel.” Zola then interviews David Bodein, a writer for The Jerusalem Post. David warns of dangers in the UN’s efforts to aid Palestinian causes.

Caption transcript for The Crusaders: “The Apple of His Eye” (8/8)

  • 00:05 IN 1095 POPE URBAN THE SECOND >>DECREED THAT THE CENTER OF THE >>KNOWN WORLD, JERUSALEM,
  • 00:11 SHOULD BE FREED FROM MUSLIM CONTROL.
  • 00:14 SPURRED BY RELIGIOUS FERVOR, >>WARRIORS MARCHED UNABATED ACROSS >>EUROPE TOWARDS THE HOLY LAND,
  • 00:21 LEAVING DEATH AND DEVASTATION IN THEIR WAKE.
  • 00:23 IN THE END, UPWARDS OF 30,000 >>MUSLIMS AND JEWS WERE MASSACRED >>IN JERUSALEM, ALONE.
  • 00:30 THIS WAS CALLED "A HOLY WAR". >>THESE WERE THE CRUSADERS.
  • 00:41 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN AND WELCOME >>BACK TO OUR CRUSADERS SERIES.
  • 00:45 ON THIS PROGRAM, WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO A COUPLE OF INTERESTING PERSONALITIES.
  • 00:50 LATER ON IN THE PROGRAM, DAVID BEDEIN,
  • 00:52 A WRITER FOR THE JERUSALEM POST >>WILL JOIN US AND HE HAS SOME IDEAS ON AMERICAN POLICY.
  • 00:59 HE IS AN AMERICAN LIVING IN JERUSALEM.
  • 01:02 AND THEN PROFESSOR BENJAMIN KEDAR OF HEBREW UNIVERSITY,
  • 01:06 AN EXPERT ON THE CRUSADERS AND THEIR PERIOD
  • 01:08 AND WHAT THEY DID HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO HIM AT A VERY >>INTERESTING PLACE.
  • 01:13 WE'LL GO THERE RIGHT NOW.
  • 01:14 IT'S AT SAMUEL'S TOMB, SO CALLED.
  • 01:16 I DOUBT IF SAMUEL IS BURIED THERE, BUT IT'S A MAGNIFICENT STRUCTURE
  • 01:20 ON TOP OF A HIGH HILL, OVERLOOKING ALL OF JERUSALEM.
  • 01:25 SO NOW TO LOCATION.
  • 01:32 PROFESSOR, THE CRUSADERS WERE AWFULLY INTERESTED IN THIS PLACE.
  • 01:38 TELL ME FROM THE BEGINNING.
  • 01:40 WHAT HAPPENED HERE?
  • 01:41 WE ARE ON THE SPOT WHERE THE CRUSADERS SAW JERUSALEM FOR THE FIRST TIME
  • 01:48 AS THEY CAME HERE FROM THE MEDITERRANEAN COAST IN JUNE OF 1099.
  • 01:53 IT WAS FROM HERE THAT THEY SAW >>THE CITY AND THEREFORE THEY CALLED THE PLACE MT. OF JOY.
  • 02:00 FROM UP ON THIS HIGH HILL, >>YOU CAN VIEW THE ENTIRE SPECTOR >>OF JERUSALEM.
  • 02:07 SO YOU CAN NOW.
  • 02:09 WAS IT LIKE THIS?
  • 02:10 DID IT APPEAL TO THEM AS BEING LIKE ONE OF THEIR CASTLES ON A HIGH HILL?
  • 02:14 WELL, AT THAT SPECIFIC TIME, THERE WAS NO CASTLE AND NO BUILDING.
  • 02:19 THERE WERE RUINS OF A MONASTERY, BUT LATER ON, THEY BUILT HERE,
  • 02:23 A MONASTERY OF THEIR OWN BECAUSE THIS PLACE IS CONSIDERED BY ALL >>THREE RELIGIONS,
  • 02:30 JEWS, CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS AS THE BURIAL PLACE OF THE PROPHET SAMUEL.
  • 02:36 IS THERE SOME TRUTH TO THAT?
  • 02:39 HAVE PEOPLE DETERMINED IT'S A BURIAL--
  • 02:40 EXPERTS TELL YOU THAT THERE'S NO >>CHANCE THAT HE'S BURIED HERE.
  • 02:44 THERE'S SO MANY SITES IN >>JERUSALEM SPECIFY A FAMOUS NAME.
  • 02:49 BUT, IN ANY CASE, HERE THEY WERE. WHAT THEN WENT ON?
  • 02:52 WELL, THEY FORTIFIED THE MONASTERY AND IF YOU WILL LOOK AROUND,
  • 02:56 YOU WILL SEE REMAINS OF IMPRESSIVE FORTIFICATIONS OF A MOAT CUT IN THE ROCK,
  • 03:03 VERY MANY BUILDINGS THAT WERE >>EXCAVATED DURING THE LAST DECADE
  • 03:07 AND IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, THE CHURCH.
  • 03:10 AND THEY WERE SINCERE RELIGIOUS--
  • 03:14 YES, THERE WAS A GROUP OF >>PRAMEN-SANTANGONISTS FROM FRANCE
  • 03:20 WHO ESTABLISHED THE HOUSE HERE >>AND STAYED HERE
  • 03:23 UNTIL SALADIN CONQUERED THE KINGDOM OF JERUSALEM IN 1187.
  • 03:30 LATER ON, AT SOME TIME IN THE >>15TH CENTURY, IT WAS A SYNAGOGUE
  • 03:38 AND STILL LATER, IT BECAME A MOSQUE
  • 03:40 AND NOW IT'S DIVIDED BETWEEN A MOSQUE UPSTAIRS AND A SYNAGOGUE >>IN THE CRYPT.
  • 03:47 ISN'T THAT INTERESTING.
  • 03:48 DO THE TWO FACTIONS GET ALONG WHEN THE COME HERE TO PRAY?
  • 03:51 WELL, I NEVER HEARD THAT THERE >>WERE INCIDENTS HERE.
  • 03:56 THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE ARE >>NO INCIDENTS ELSEWHERE.
  • 04:00 RIGHT.
  • 04:00 WELL, IF THEY WORSHIPED HERE, THE CRUSADERS AND SO ON,
  • 04:04 OUR SOLDIERS, THE COALITION, >>THE BRITISH AND AMERICAN TROOPS >>PRESENTLY IN IRAQ
  • 04:12 ARE REFERRED TO AS "NEW CRUSADERS"
  • 04:14 AND YOU POINTED OUT WHEN WE WERE >>TALKING BEFORE THE PROGRAM,
  • 04:16 THAT THIS HAS BEEN A NAME PUT ON >>WESTERN ARMIES RIGHT ALONG
  • 04:20 FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE 20TH CENTURY.
  • 04:23 RIGHT.
  • 04:25 IN MODERN ARAB POLITICAL WRITINGS,
  • 04:30 YOU WILL FIND THIS MOTIVE OF THE CRUSADERS OF THE 12TH AND 13TH CENTURY
  • 04:36 BEING EQUATED BY MODERN COLONIALISTS, IMPERIALIST, ZIONISTS,
  • 04:42 THIS RECURS TIME AND AGAIN IN SPEECHES, IN WRITING, IN NEWSPAPERS,
  • 04:49 VERY COMMON MOTIVE.
  • 04:51 BUT, SURELY, THE CRUSADERS THAT >>CAME FIRST OF ALL,
  • 04:54 CAME WITH A RELIGIOUS MOTIVE AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THEY PUBLISHED
  • 04:58 AND THEN WHEN THEY WERE HERE, >>THERE WAS SOME BLOODY FIGHTING.
  • 05:02 THE AMERICANS AND BRITISH WHO ARE IN IRAQ,
  • 05:05 AT LEAST THEY HAVE PUBLISHED THAT THEY'RE THERE TO BRING PEACE TO THE NATION.
  • 05:11 YES, BUT YOU MAY SAY THAT NOWADAYS
  • 05:15 THE COALITION HAS INTENDED TO LIBERATE THE IRAQI PEOPLE,
  • 05:21 WHERE AS THE CRUSADERS WERE BENT UPON LIBERATING THE HOLY PLACES,
  • 05:27 WHICH IS SOMETHING QUITE DIFFERENT.
  • 05:28 THERE WAS ALSO THE AIM TO LIBERATE EASTERN CHRISTIANS FROM MUSLIM OPPRESSION.
  • 05:40 THE PEOPLE FROM THE BYZANTINES >>THAT WERE HERE.
  • 05:43 YES, AND THE OTHER ORIENTAL CHRISTIANS
  • 05:46 WHO ARE LIVING UNDER MUSLIM RULE >>SINCE THE 7TH CENTURY.
  • 05:50 THEY WERE HAVING A TOUGH TIME.
  • 05:52 YES, SO THERE WAS DOUBLE IF YOU WISH, AIM,
  • 05:55 THE HOLY PLACE AND THE CHRISTIANS IN THE EAST WHO WERE IN THE NEED OF HELP.
  • 06:01 SOME SAY THAT THIS WAS THE BEGINNING OF A TERRIBLE MUSLIM-CHRISTIAN ANIMOSITY
  • 06:09 WHEN THESE KNIGHTS RODE IN HERE >>AND BEGAN TO FIGHT.
  • 06:14 YES, BUT WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS GOING ON,
  • 06:20 FIGHTING BETWEEN MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS
  • 06:23 RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING OF ISLAM IN THE 7TH CENTURY.
  • 06:28 THE MUSLIMS CONQUERED CHRISTIAN >>COUNTRY LIKE EGYPT,
  • 06:34 LIKE PALESTINE, SYRIA, >>NORTH AFRICA AND MOST OF SPAIN >>AND THIS WAS A CONQUEST.
  • 06:40 SO IT'S NOT THAT WITH THE CRUSADES THE STARTS CHRISTIAN-MUSLIM ANIMOSITY
  • 06:49 OR FIGHTING, BUT IT CERTAINLY EXACERBATED THE PREVAILING TRENDS.
  • 06:57 IT WAS GOING AND IT DIDN'T HELP >>MUCH THAT THEY CAME HERE.
  • 07:00 WELL, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU CONSIDER THE CONQUEST OF JERUSALEM IN 1099,
  • 07:07 IT LEAD TO A MASSACRE OF THE >>MUSLIM AND THE JEWISH POPULATION >>OF JERUSALEM.
  • 07:14 NOW WE KNOW THAT IS WAS NOT A TOTAL MASSACRE AS SOME CHRONICLERS PRESENT IT.
  • 07:20 THERE WERE SURVIVORS, BUT STILL >>IT SHOCKED VERY MANY MUSLIMS
  • 07:27 AND EVEN IN SALADIN'S DAYS WHEN SALADIN CAME
  • 07:34 AND SUCCEEDED IN PUTTING AND END >>TO THE CRUSADER KINGDOM,
  • 07:40 WE HEAR MUSLIM SAY WE SHOULD TREAT THE CHRISTIANS NOW >>AS THEY TREATED US BACK IN 1099.
  • 07:49 SO THE MEMORY OF THAT MASSACRE >>WAS THERE ALL THE TIME.
  • 07:54 LET ME ASK YOU, YOU'RE A >>PROFESSOR AT HEBREW UNIVERSITY, >>OF COURSE,
  • 07:58 DID THEY NOT DRAW SOME DISTINCTION, THE INCOMING CRUSADERS,
  • 08:04 BETWEEN JEWS, WHO THE BIBLE IS THEIR STORY, AFTER ALL
  • 08:10 AND MUSLIMS WHO REALLY ARE >>FOREIGNERS FROM ANOTHER NATION >>WITH A DIFFERENT RELIGION.
  • 08:15 WELL, ONE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT IN CHRISTENDOM, IN CATHOLICISM,
  • 08:22 TRUE ISRAEL, THIS IS NOT THE JEWISH PEOPLE ANYMORE AFTER CHRIST.
  • 08:29 TRUE ISRAEL, VERIS ISRAEL, THESE ARE THE CHRISTIANS.
  • 08:34 REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY.
  • 08:35 YES, SO THIS IS ONE THING TO REMEMBER,
  • 08:37 ANOTHER IS THAT EVEN BEFORE THE CRUSADERS MET THE FIRST MUSLIM,
  • 08:43 THEY KILLED VERY MANY JEWS ON THEIR WAY
  • 08:47 ESPECIALLY IN THE RHINE VALLEY >>IN GERMANY
  • 08:49 AND IDEA WAS AND YOU HEAR IT BOTH IN CHRISTIAN AND HEBREW, JEWISH SOURCES,
  • 08:55 THAT THE CRUSADERS SAY WE ARE >>GOING ALL THAT WAY TO FIGHT THE >>ENEMY OF CHRIST.
  • 09:02 HERE ARE ENEMIES OF CHRIST LIVING AMONGST US, LET'S DEAL WITH THEM.
  • 09:06 BUT, THINGS WERE MUCH DEEPER THAN THAT.
  • 09:09 BRINGING JEWS TO THE TRUE FAITH, >>THAT IS TO CHRISTIANITY,
  • 09:16 WAS CONSIDERED BY SOME, CONCEIVED BY SOME,
  • 09:19 AS A WAY TO FURTHER THE SECOND >>COMING OF CHRIST.
  • 09:25 IT WAS AN ESCHATOLOGICAL MEANING TO IT.
  • 09:29 IN FACT THE SCRIPTURE, THERE'S IMPLICATIONS THAT,
  • 09:32 SHOULD THE JEWS COME TO A MESSIANIC BELIEF, THIS WOULD START THE MESSIANIC AGE.
  • 09:37 YES.
  • 09:38 SO THOSE SLAUGHTERS OR KILLINGS IN THE RHINE VALLEY ON THE WAY >>TO JERUSALEM
  • 09:43 WERE COMBINED WITH A WISH TO >>CONVERT THE JEWS TO CHRISTIANITY
  • 09:52 IF THEY DO NOT CONVERT, THEN WE KILL THEM.
  • 09:54 BUT, YOU CAN SEE IT ALSO AS AN ACT OF LOVE.
  • 09:59 "CRUSADING AS AN ACT OF LOVE" >>IS THE TITLE OF A FAMOUS ESSAY
  • 10:05 BY A FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE OF MINE, PROFESSOR RILEY SMITH OF CAMBRIDGE
  • 10:09 AND THIS CRUSADING AS AN ACT OF LOVE MEANS THAT YOU EXPRESS YOUR >>LOVE FOR FELLOW CHRISTIANS,
  • 10:17 THAT IS YOU COME TO LIBERATE THOSE SUFFERING CHRISTIANS IN THE EAST AND IN JERUSALEM.
  • 10:26 GOOD FOR THE FELLOW CHRISTIANS >>BUT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
  • 10:33 YES, AS I ONCE SAID, BEING A DESCENDANT OF THOSE
  • 10:39 WHO WERE AT THE RECEIVING END OF >>THIS ACT OF LOVE, MAYBE, I SEE THINGS DIFFERENT.
  • 10:45 NOW, THE CASTLES, THEY PUT GIGANTIC CASTLES ON MOUNTAIN TOPS.
  • 10:51 THEY BUILT AS IF THEY WERE IN EUROPE, DEEP MOATS,
  • 10:56 DID THEY NOT UNDERSTAND THE >>TERRAIN OR WAS THIS EFFECTIVE?
  • 11:03 THERE WAS SO MUCH MAN HOURS WENT >>INTO JUST THE CONSTRUCTIONS.
  • 11:07 I THINK THEY UNDERSTOOD THE TERRAIN PERFECTLY.
  • 11:11 THEY CHOSE THE LOCATIONS FOR THE >>CASTLES VERY WELL
  • 11:15 AND THEY BUILT ALL THESE CASTLES >>FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR DEFENSE PURPOSES
  • 11:21 BECAUSE WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT >>THEY CONSTITUTED A MINORITY WITHIN THERE OWN KINGDOM.
  • 11:29 WE CANNOT GIVE ANY EXACT NUMBERS, BUT MAYBE WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE VERY WRONG
  • 11:36 IF WE SAY THAT FOR EVERY CRUSADER WHO CAME FROM THE WEST AND SETTLED HERE,
  • 11:42 THERE MAY HAVE BEEN 3 OR 4 ORIENTALS, BE THEY MUSLIMS OR ORIENTAL CHRISTIANS.
  • 11:51 SO, THEY HAD TO ASSERT THEMSELVES AND ONE PURPOSE OF THE CASTLE
  • 11:56 IS JUST TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE THE MASTER.
  • 11:58 THIS GOES THE SAME ALSO FOR CASTLES BUILT IN EUROPE AND >>AREAS THAT ARE NOT UNDER THREAT
  • 12:06 AND IN ADDITION, YOU HAD MUSLIM >>FORCES TO THE NORTHEAST, TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST.
  • 12:14 PROFESSOR, IT'S WONDERFUL TO TALK TO YOU.
  • 12:17 I COULD LISTEN ALL DAY, BUT OUR TIME IS LIMITED.
  • 12:20 THANKS SO MUCH FOR COMING.
  • 12:21 YOU'RE WELCOME.
  • 12:32 FOR A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT IS HAPPENING IN ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE EAST,
  • 12:37 ASK FOR ZOLA'S FREE MONTHLY >>NEWSLETTER, THE LEVITT LETTER.
  • 12:44 ZOLA'S NEW KINGDOM CATALOG >>DESCRIBES HIS, BOOKS, TEACHING TAPES AND CORRESPONDENCE COURSE.
  • 12:52 FOR ZOLA'S FREE NEWSLETTER AND >>CATALOG
  • 13:03 ♪FOLLOW ME TO GALILEE
  • 13:04 AND JESUS SAID UNTO THEM, DO NOT BE AFRAID,
  • 13:07 GO TELL MY BRETHREN TO GO INTO GALILEE, THERE THEY WILL SEE ME.
  • 13:12 ♪FOLLOW ME HOME.
  • 13:13 IT STRENGTHENS OUR FAITH TO KNOW THAT JESUS WALKED ON THE WATER AND THAT WE CAN CALL OUT TO HIM.
  • 13:20 IT MAKES THE WHOLE SCRIPTURES COME TO LIFE.
  • 13:32 OURS TOURISTS, OF COURSE, ARE AMERICANS BASICALLY
  • 13:35 AND ARE ALWAYS SURPRISED TO SEE THE ISRAEL THAT WE SEE BECAUSE
  • 13:39 THE DISTORTIONS BY THE MEDIA, CNN, NEW YORK TIMES, ONE I MENTION EVERY TIME
  • 13:46 BECAUSE THEY ARE THE WORST OFFENDERS.
  • 13:48 THEY DON'T JUST GET IT WRONG, >>THEY WRITE IT WRONG ON PURPOSE.
  • 13:51 DAVID BEDEIN, A JERUSALEM POST WRITER, BELIEVES MOST AMERICANS >>DON'T UNDERSTAND
  • 13:57 EVEN THE IMPACT OF OUR GOVERNMENT'S POLICIES TOWARD ISRAEL
  • 14:01 WHICH ARE POLICIES HE CRITICIZES QUITE A BIT AND HE'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE.
  • 14:07 LET'S GO TO OUR INTERVIEW WITH HIM.
  • 14:10 YOU HAVE AN ARTICLE IN "FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE",
  • 14:12 A ROGUE STATE DEPARTMENT AND YOU >>SAY THE U.S. CONSTITUTION >>MANDATES THAT THE U.S. CONGRESS,
  • 14:21 ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES OF THE >>AMERICAN PEOPLE
  • 14:23 MUST ADVISE ON CONSENT THE U.S. >>ADMINISTRATION ON MATTERS OF FOREIGN POLICY.
  • 14:27 NOBODY WOULD ARGUE WITH THAT.
  • 14:28 NOW, YOU SAY THE TIME HAS COME FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO MAKE >>THE STATE DEPARTMENT POLICIES
  • 14:32 ACCOUNTABLE TO THE U.S. SENATE >>FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE,
  • 14:36 U.S. HOUSE INTERNATIONAL >>RELATIONS COMMITTEE, THE MEDIA >>AND THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE
  • 14:40 IN AT LEAST 20 CRITICAL MATTERS OF MIDDLE EAST FOREIGN POLICY.
  • 14:45 THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT HAS ACTED INDEPENDENTLY OF U.S. CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL
  • 14:50 OF IT'S IMPLEMENTATION OF MIDDLE EAST POLICY.
  • 14:54 CORRECT.
  • 14:55 THEY'RE RUNNING OFF BY THEMSELVES.
  • 14:57 ABSOLUTELY.
  • 14:57 WHEN YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE >>THE PEOPLE OF THE U.S. REPRESENTED BY THE CONGRESS
  • 15:04 AND REPRESENTED BY THE WHITE HOUSE HAVE A VERY CLEAR
  • 15:07 UNDERSTANDING OF ISRAEL'S ISOLATED PREDICAMENT,
  • 15:11 NOT WANTING ISRAEL TO KOWTOW >>TO THE TERRORISM OF THE P.L.O.
  • 15:17 NOW, THAT KIND OF SITUATION AND >>IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD, WHEN I VISIT THE U.S. CONGRESS,
  • 15:22 I HEAR LIBERALS, CONSERVATIVES, DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS UNITED IN >>THEIR SUPPORT OF ISRAEL.
  • 15:28 BUT, THEN WHEN WE COME TO WATCH THE STATE DEPARTMENT POLICIES,
  • 15:31 YOU KNOW, THE STATE DEPARTMENT WHICH SUPPORTS AN ORGANIZATION >>SUCH AS UNRWA,
  • 15:37 UNITED NATION WORK AND RELIEF AGENCY
  • 15:39 WHICH FORCES A WHOLE GENERATION >>OF PALESTINIAN ARABS
  • 15:43 TO STAY IN REFUGEE CAMPS UNDER >>THE PREMISE AND PROMISE
  • 15:46 OF THE RIGHT TO RETURN TO THEIR HOMES FROM 1948 WHICH NO LONGER EXISTS.
  • 15:52 THEY LEFT THEIR HOMES IN 1948, NOT BECAUSE ISRAEL WANTED THAT >>TO HAPPEN,
  • 15:58 IT HAPPENED DURING THE WAR.
  • 15:59 INSTEAD OF BEING RESETTLED, U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT
  • 16:02 TOGETHER WITH THE CANADIAN >>DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS, >>AND THE EUROPEAN UNION,
  • 16:07 SUPPORT A SYSTEM OF KEEPING THEM >>IN THE CAMPS AND KEEPING THE CALDRON HOT
  • 16:12 AND THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY'RE >>GOING TO REPLACE ISRAEL, HOT.
  • 16:17 AND THAT POLICY HAS TO BE QUESTIONED.
  • 16:21 THERE WAS NEVER A DECISION BY THE U.S. CONGRESS OR BY THE WHITE HOUSE,
  • 16:26 HEY, WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT THE >>IDEA THAT THE ARABS
  • 16:29 CAN COME BACK TO ALL THE HOMES >>THEY LEFT IN JERUSALEM
  • 16:32 OR THE VILLAGES THEY LEFT IN THE >>GALIL OR THE NEGEV.
  • 16:36 THERE WAS NEVER A DECISION LIKE THAT.
  • 16:38 BUT, THE STATE DEPARTMENT, FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS
  • 16:40 HAS BEEN PUSHING THAT IDEA IN AN UNDIGNIFIED WAY.
  • 16:44 THE TIME HAS COME FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO DO WANT FAIRNESS TO ISRAEL,
  • 16:50 TO SPEAK UP AND SAY, EXCUSE ME, WE CANNOT SUPPORT SUCH A POLICY.
  • 16:56 OK, SOME AMERICANS ACTUALLY DO.
  • 16:58 I MEAN THEY OPPOSE COLIN POWELL'S STATEMENTS.
  • 17:01 THEY OPPOSE THE IDEA OF GIVING >>THE SAUDIS A FREE PASS.
  • 17:05 I'M SAYING "SOME".
  • 17:05 I'M THINKING SOME RIGHT THINKING >>JEWISH PEOPLE, SOME CHRISTIAN ZIONIST,
  • 17:09 SOME PEOPLE DON'T BUY INTO THE >>STATE DEPARTMENT'S THING.
  • 17:13 MOST PEOPLE ASSUME THEY HAVE AN ATTITUDE OF "THAT'S THE WAY IT IS".
  • 17:17 WE'RE RECORDING THIS INTERVIEW >>ON THE 65TH ANNIVERSARY OF "KRISTALLNACHT",
  • 17:24 WHERE THE GERMANS BROKE WINDOWS >>AND BURNT SYNAGOGUES.
  • 17:30 WHAT THEY DID WAS TO ESTABLISH THE PRECEDENT OF WHAT HAPPENED >>IN WWII,
  • 17:34 THAT THEY WOULD KILL OFF JEWS AND SEE HOW THE WORLD WOULD RESPOND AND THE WORLD,
  • 17:41 EVEN THE WORLD'S JEWS RESPONDED >>ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA, WITH NOTHING.
  • 17:47 NOW, WE ARE A GENERATION LATER, >>WE SAY ON PASSOVER,
  • 17:51 (SPEAKING HEBREW) EVERY >>GENERATION, AN ENTITY COMES UP >>THAT WANTS TO DESTROY US.
  • 18:01 THE P.L.O. IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN AGENT OF THE ARAB LEAGUE,
  • 18:07 FUNDED THROUGH SAUDI ARABIA AND REMEMBER THIS ROADMAP THAT MR. POWELL TALKS ABOUT ALL THE TIME,
  • 18:15 ADOPTED MARCH 30, 2002, THE DAY AFTER THE PASSOVER MASSACRE IN >>NATANYA, WHAT'S IT BASED ON?
  • 18:23 PARAGRAPH 2, THE SAUDI PLAN WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE RIGHT OF RETURN
  • 18:29 PROMOTED THROUGH UNRWA, FUNDED BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND THE >>WESTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.
  • 18:36 THE IDEA THAT ISRAEL WOULD BE REPLACED BY AN ARAB ENTITY
  • 18:41 AND IF YOU WANT ME TO SHOW YOU >>THE MAPS CURRENTLY PUT OUT BY THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY,
  • 18:48 ISRAEL IS ELIMINATED.
  • 18:50 NOW LOOK, UNRWA WENT IN BUSINESS BACK WHEN THE U.S. AND EVEN THE >>COMMUNIST REGIME IN RUSSIA
  • 18:59 WELCOMED ISRAEL TO THE U.N. >>CORRECT.
  • 19:03 I MEAN, HOW COULD WE HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
  • 19:04 HERE'S A COMMITTEE FROM THE U.N. >>THAT BUILDS REFUGEE CAMPS
  • 19:07 APPARENTLY TO RESETTLE THESE ARABS AND THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR GRANDCHILDREN
  • 19:13 INTO HOMES THAT SUPPOSEDLY--
  • 19:14 THIS IS LIKE BRINGING BACK THE CONFEDERATES TO THEIR PLANTATIONS.
  • 19:17 THE PLANTATIONS ARE GONE AND WE'RE DOWN A FEW GENERATIONS.
  • 19:21 HOW CAN WE HAVE IT BOTH WAYS?
  • 19:24 YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
  • 19:27 THE PROBLEM IS, THE PEOPLE DON'T TAKE WHAT ARABS SAY SERIOUSLY ENOUGH.
  • 19:32 AS A JOURNALIST, WHEN I WAS >>STUDYING MY FIELD OF JOURNALISM >>AS A YOUNG MAN,
  • 19:39 I INTERVIEWED WILLIAM SHIRER WHO >>WROTE THE BOOK, "THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH"
  • 19:44 HE WAS THE CORRESPONDENT FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES IN BERLIN DURING >>THE NAZI ERA
  • 19:49 AND WE ASKED HIM WHAT IT WAS >>LIKE TO HEAR HITLER'S WORDS AND >>TO REPORT THEM.
  • 19:54 "HOW COULD YOU REMAIN NEUTRAL", >>I ASKED HIM.
  • 19:57 "I WASN'T NEUTRAL, I WAS OBJECTIVE.
  • 19:58 "I WROTE DOWN EVERYTHING THAT HITLER SAID,
  • 20:01 "REPORTED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES >>AND PEOPLE DIDN'T HEAR IT".
  • 20:05 SINCE THE ADVENT OF THE >>PALESTINIAN NATIONAL AUTHORITY,
  • 20:08 EVERY WORD HAS BEEN ACCESSIBLE >>WHAT ARAFAT AND HIS PEOPLE AROUND HIM HAVE BEEN SAYING,
  • 20:14 NOT ONLY ARAFAT, AND IT HAS NOT BEEN NOTED.
  • 20:20 OUR AGENCY, "ISRAEL RESOURCE NEWS AGENCY"
  • 20:23 IS READY TO DISPATCH SPEAKERS THROUGHOUT THE WESTERN WORLD
  • 20:26 TO PRESENT TO YOU WHAT THEY'RE >>SAYING IN THE ARABIC LANGUAGE TO THEIR PEOPLE.
  • 20:31 PALESTINIAN BROADCAST CORP. UNTIL 1998, FUNDED THROUGH U.S.A.I.D.,
  • 20:40 THE UNITED STATES AGENCY FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT,
  • 20:42 NOT BY SOME ARAB KOOKS, BUT WESTERN DEMOCRACIES.
  • 20:46 BECAUSE, THOUGH IT'S ONLY WORDS, >>WORDS HAVE POWER AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO SAY.
  • 20:54 WORDS HAVE POWER.
  • 20:56 LET ME TAKE YOU OVER TO IRAQ.
  • 20:59 DO WE HAVE TO?
  • 21:00 ISN'T THE STATE DEPARTMENT SORT >>OF GUILTY OF THE SAME THING,
  • 21:04 OF MUDDLING THINGS OVER, SAYING P.R. THINGS.
  • 21:08 WHAT'S GOING ON, REALLY?
  • 21:08 WELL, THE STATE DEPT. PRETENDS >>TO BE A MIDDLE MAN, >>THE TEND TO BE A "MEDDLE MAN".
  • 21:12 THEY TEND TO MEDDLE IN AFFAIRS AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S FLYING.
  • 21:17 THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN BUY OFF PEOPLE IN THE SHORT RUN
  • 21:22 AND THINK THAT WILL CREATE >>AN ALLY, THAT'S HOW YOU CREATE >>ADVERSARIES.
  • 21:29 BECAUSE, WHAT YOU HAVE IS A >>SITUATION WHICH IS VERY CLEAR;
  • 21:32 THE STATE DEPT. COMES TO IRAQ, OFFERS THEM OODLES OF MONEY TO >>FIGHT IRAN,
  • 21:39 BUILDS UP THEIR MILITARY POTENTIAL AND THINKS,
  • 21:41 THAT'S IT, THEY'RE GOING TO RETURN THE GUNS.
  • 21:44 IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
  • 21:46 WHEN YOU PAY PEOPLE OFF IN THE MIDDLE EAST, THEY THINK OF YOU >>AS A SUCKER.
  • 21:52 I GREW UP IN AMERICA, SO I'M SURE.
  • 21:56 THEY DO IN AMERICA TOO.
  • 21:57 IF YOU GIVE SOMEBODY MONEY FOR NOTHING, YOU'RE FIGHTING THE WAR >>AGAINST IRAN
  • 22:04 AND THEY TAKE THE MONEY AND SAY THANK YOU AND SAY CAN WE ALSO HAVE KUWAIT.
  • 22:08 THAT IS SOMETHING, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE AMERICAN AMBASSADOR TO IRAQ
  • 22:16 SAID, "AH, THEY DON'T MEAN IT."
  • 22:18 IT'S NOT GOING TO--
  • 22:19 THE LADY >>ABSOLUTELY.
  • 22:20 AND THIS IS THE WHOLE THING OF A LACK OF AMERICAN UNDERSTANDING >>OF THE MIDDLE EAST MENTALITY.
  • 22:26 WE JEWS UNDERSTAND ARABS.
  • 22:29 ISAAC UNDERSTANDS ISHMAEL.
  • 22:31 ISAAC UNDERSTANDS THE ISMAELITE CURSE, THAT THIS IS A WILD MAN, >>A WILD MAN,
  • 22:39 BUT WHEN YOU LOOK IN GENESIS, >>HOW ISHMAEL IS ALSO THE ONE WHO >>GOES ALONG WITH ABRAHAM
  • 22:47 ACCORDING TO OUR RABBINIC SOURCES TO RECEIVE THE ANGELS
  • 22:50 TO TRAIN HIM IN THE ART OF >>HOSPITALITY SO IT'S A WILD MAN WHO KNOWS HOW TO BE HOSPITABLE.
  • 22:55 WHEN I INTERVIEWED YASSER ARAFAT >>FOR THREE HOURS, THE MAN WAS WIGGLING IN HIS SEAT,
  • 23:01 BEING SO FRIENDLY, GIVING JUICE, GIVING COFFEE, THE FRIENDLIEST >>GUY IN THE WORLD.
  • 23:05 NOW, YOU GO BACK TO IRAQ, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT >>SADDAM HUSSEIN AND YASSER ARAFAT
  • 23:13 HAVE BEEN LIKE THIS, [CLOSE]
  • 23:14 BUT NOT ONLY HAS SADDAM HUSSEIN >>BEEN SUPPORTING ARAFAT,
  • 23:18 BUT ARAFAT HAS BEEN SUPPLYING THE TROOPS FOR SADDAM HUSSEIN
  • 23:20 AND NOW FOR THE WAR AGAINST >>AMERICA AND GUESS WHERE THEY'RE DOING THEIR MILITARY TRAINING,
  • 23:26 IN THE UNRWA CAMPS IN LEBANON, >>UNRWA CAMPS SUPPORTED BY U.S. GOVERNMENT.
  • 23:34 OKAY, LET ME TRY TO FOLLOW THE MONEY.
  • 23:35 SO, THE AMERICAN TAX PAYER PAYS ITS TAXES TO WASHINGTON.
  • 23:38 WASHINGTON HELPS SUPPORT U.N. UNRWA CAMPS.
  • 23:42 THE UNRWA CAMPS TRAIN THE FOREIGN FIGHTERS
  • 23:44 THAT ARE GOING TO IRAQ AND KILLING AMERICAN TROOPS.
  • 23:47 PRECISELY. >>WHY ARE WE PAYING FOR THAT?
  • 23:50 BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
  • 23:52 YOU KNOW WHAT MY THEME IS, ZOLA?
  • 23:54 LET MY PEOPLE KNOW.
  • 23:56 PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW WHAT'S FLYING.
  • 24:00 IN A WORLD OF SUPERFICIALITY AND MTV PAGANISM,
  • 24:05 PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT GOD >>WANTS PEOPLE TO KNOW, >>PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT THE LAND,
  • 24:12 ABOUT THEMSELVES, ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY.
  • 24:15 U.S. GOVERNMENT GIVING MONEY TO TERRORISTS?
  • 24:18 WELL, THAT WAS A DECISION BY CONGRESS?
  • 24:21 WAS THERE CONGRESSIONAL RESOLUTION XXX TO SUPPORT THEM?
  • 24:25 THERE NEVER WAS.
  • 24:25 THE SAME THING, DID CONGRESS >>EVER DECIDE THEY WERE GOING TO >>SUPPORT SADDAM?
  • 24:29 NEVER, IT JUST HAPPENED.
  • 24:30 IT'S SHORT TERM THINKING JUST TO DEFEAT IRAN WITHOUT WHAT WAS >>GOING TO BE NEXT.
  • 24:36 WHAT WOULD WE DO WITH THE GUNS >>AND THEIR POTENTIAL.
  • 24:38 DO YOU REMEMBER THAT THE ISRAELI >>GOVERNMENT, ON JUNE 10, 1981
  • 24:44 DECIDED TO CREATE A FEW BOMBS >>OVER THE IRAQI NUCLEAR FACILITY
  • 24:52 WHICH WAS BEING CREATED BY THE >>WESTERN NATIONS,
  • 24:55 NOT BY THE ARAB NATION, BY THE WESTERN NATION
  • 24:58 FRANCE ESPECIALLY. >>ESPECIALLY FRANCE.
  • 25:00 AND VICE PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH >>AT THE TIME, CALLED FOR A BOYCOTT OF ISRAEL AFTER THAT.
  • 25:06 WELL, WE BEAT AROUND THE BUSH AND I THINK BUSH JR.
  • 25:11 HAS BEEN VERY MUCH APPRECIATIVE >>FOR WHAT ISRAEL DID.
  • 25:16 OH YES, WE'D BE FIGHTING A NUCLEAR WAR.
  • 25:19 SO WHAT'S YOUR HUNCH? WHAT'S COMING UP?
  • 25:21 WHAT'S THE BIG PICTURE, ARE WE GOING TO ESTABLISH DEMOCRACIES >>IN THE MIDDLE EAST?
  • 25:25 ARE WE GOING TO LOSE TO THE ISLAMISTS OR WHAT?
  • 25:28 NO, THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
  • 25:29 GEORGE W. BUSH IS COMMITTED TO >>DEMOCRATIZATION OF THE MIDDLE EAST
  • 25:33 AND THE DEFEAT OF THE ARAB'S TOTALITARIAN STATES THAT SURROUND ISRAEL.
  • 25:37 THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, THAT THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT >>OPPOSES THAT.
  • 25:41 THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT >>THAT U.S. CONGRESS IS SUPPORTIVE >>OF THE PRESIDENT'S POSITION.
  • 25:46 THE QUESTION IS, FOR THE VIEWING >>AUDIENCE OF THIS PROGRAM, >>WHERE ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?
  • 25:54 AS WE CONCLUDE OUR CRUSADERS SERIES,
  • 25:57 WE'RE STUCK WITH THIS LABEL OF >>"CRUSADERS" BY THE MUSLIMS, OUR COALITION FORCES ARE.
  • 26:05 AND IN SOME WAY, THERE IS A SIMILARITY.
  • 26:06 WE'RE WESTERN SOLDIERS COMING FROM OUR OWN DEMOCRACIES,
  • 26:11 CHRISTIAN NATIONS AND ATTACKING >>MUSLIMS AND WE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE LOCAL CUSTOMS
  • 26:16 AND WE'RE HAVING A FEW TROUBLES >>OVER THAT.
  • 26:19 I JUST HOPE OUR POLICIES WITH ISRAEL WILL BE MORE BENIGN
  • 26:24 BECAUSE WE'LL COME UNDER ANY >>NUMBER OF BIBLICAL ADMONITIONS
  • 26:28 IF WE DON'T STRAIGHTEN THOSE UP.
  • 26:44 SO WE NEED TO LOOK TO ISRAEL WITH THE KIND OF LOVE THAT GOD DOES
  • 26:48 AND WE NEED TO SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALYIM, >>PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.

Episodes in this series

  1. The Invasion
  2. The Old New Land
  3. The Ambassador Speaks
  4. The Real War on Terrorism
  5. Our Man in Jerusalem
  6. A Clash of Civilizations
  7. The Humble Knight
  8. The Apple of His Eye
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